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Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

SuburbanTurkey said:
I wonder how much of that would be allowed since racial animus was not a factor that had to be proven in any of the charges brought in state court.

I suppose I'm also sympathetic to the prosecutors keeping their approach simple and narrowly focused on the acts, rather than the intentions, of the 3 murderers. The cross examination of the younger McMichael was already devastating to his defense case and it solely focused on the extreme carelessness and lawlessness of their pursuit and "arrest" attempt.
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Travis's direct was probably worse than the cross. I stopped counting the number of times his attorney used the word "belief". No matter what else you add, the judge is going to read the statute and that statute says "direct knowledge". The lawyer also said suspicion a few times which is just as bad. Travis's own attorney walked the jury through how his actions were not a citizen's arrest.
 
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If anyone wants to rehash all this stupid ******** maybe take it back to the non-trial thread? ****** irritating the **** out of me.
 
plague311 said:
It's really hard to tell. I can't imagine these guys have a lot of money left. They've gone through 2 full trials. Even if they were well off that would be a lot of money to spend. Travis was living with Ma and Pa, and talked about just starting a newer job. I can't imagine he has deep pockets to keep this going.

I'd imagine it will be appealed at some point if he can maybe get his hands on a public defender.
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The defense lawyers in the federal trial were appointed by the court.
 
mgidm86 said:
If anyone wants to rehash all this stupid ******** maybe take it back to the non-trial thread? ****** irritating the **** out of me.
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You have something specific you still want to discuss here? Outside of sentencing it's over. It's all done. Now is just BSing around the facts of the case. I'm not sure what other detailed conversation you want, but this is the non-trial thread. It was moved here when the trial started.

erlando said:
The defense lawyers in the federal trial were appointed by the court.
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Ah, ok. I didn't watch or read much about the trial, just the highlights so I wasn't sure if the same attorney's represented them in the federal trial as well.
 
plague311 said:
You have something specific you still want to discuss here? Outside of sentencing it's over. It's all done. Now is just BSing around the facts of the case. I'm not sure what other detailed conversation you want, but this is the non-trial thread. It was moved here when the trial started.



Ah, ok. I didn't watch or read much about the trial, just the highlights so I wasn't sure if the same attorney's represented them in the federal trial as well.
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I'll probably keep tabs on where they actually end up serving their time, if only so I can send them an appropriately taunting postcard. The father especially seems like a vulnerable target, seeing as he lead his own son to utter ruin.

Then again, there's no rush. It's not like they're going anywhere.
 
mgidm86 said:
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If anyone wants to rehash all this stupid ******** maybe take it back to the non-trial thread? ****** irritating the **** out of me.
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This is...um...the only thread on this topic. It's a continuation of...um...the non-trial thread, which is...um...closed.
 
I dunno. I can't put my finger on it but something in my gut says this case isn't out the headlines yet.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Hah it's funny because you spent a dozen pages critiquing the dead guy's tactical decision for no reason then tried to make that our problem.
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Oh you're right. I spent dozens of pages typing a private lecture. I wasn't replying and responding to others. Yep. Then I hacked Darat's account to bring it up again and pirated other accounts to maintain it. Didn't even try to stop it amidst accusations of founcing. Yep. That's how it happened. You so smart and honest.
 
Shadowdweller said:
For those of you who feel like playing stupid and puerile "what if" games regarding Arbery's tactical choices - we're all aware that Arbery had been diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder, right folks? Which is a pretty significant mental illness.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnew...berys-mental-health-records/story?id=77665622
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From your link:
Dunikowski argued that the quality of the diagnosis was suspect because it was made in a two-hour evaluation by a registered nurse and nurse practitioner Arbery was sent to by his probation officer.
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Nurses, and even most physicians, aren't qualified to make psychiatric diagnoses. If they didn't send him to a psychiatrist, that by itself raises doubts about the claim.

And even if he been correctly diagnosed, so what? He quite rationally ran from armed men who were trying to capture him, and tried to defend himself when he couldn't run any more. How do you think that helps the McMichaels?
 
Bob001 said:
And even if he been correctly diagnosed, so what? He quite rationally ran from armed men who were trying to capture him, and tried to defend himself when he couldn't run any more. How do you think that helps the McMichaels?
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It doesn't help anyone. That's the point. It shouldn't have been one person dying to defend that stupid hill for 10 pages.

It never should have even been brought up. That's the point.
 
Bob001 said:
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Nurses, and even most physicians, aren't qualified to make psychiatric diagnoses. If they didn't send him to a psychiatrist, that by itself raises doubts about the claim.

And even if he been correctly diagnosed, so what? He quite rationally ran from armed men who were trying to capture him, and tried to defend himself when he couldn't run any more. How do you think that helps the McMichaels?
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You're right that a nurse is way outside their lane in making such a diagnosis. They could at best note "signs" for appropriate evaluation.

How would that help the killers? Well, say they were trying to beat this rap. They'd have to frame Arbery as an imminent threat. So simply claiming they chased him down because he was running around "looking nuts", and then charged right at a man who was...ahem..."legally open carrying a legel firearm, per Georgia law"...and Travis did not fire till Amaud was actively grabbing said brandished legally open carried gun, that Travis was legit defending himself.

Saying Arbery was diagnosed schitzo adds credibility to the claim that the murderers were actually defending themselves from a certified whacko who they did not fire at till he charged them. The problem is that schizophrenics are not generally violent. But some are, and the defense merely needs to get Arbery in that minority class to back their claim.

As I see a lot of this, the battle should revolve around the open carry. If it was legal, that's a problem. Travis didn't shoot till Arbery grabbed the gun, and most self-defense advocates would support legit firing in that scenario. In my State, such an "open carry" is a felony.
 
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Thermal said:
As I see a lot of this, the battle should revolve around the open carry. If it was legal, that's a problem. Travis didn't shoot till Arbery grabbed the gun, and most self-defense advocates would support legit firing in that scenario. In my State, such an "open carry" is a felony.
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Meh, not really.

The open carry and citizen's arrest veneers were never a good faith interpretation of the law or the facts. The DA has a lot of discretion and there's very little way to write the law to mitigate the damage that can be done if prosecutors/cops don't want to enforce the law. Their self defense / citizen's arrest claims only worked in the black box that is a the DA's discretion. In an open and adversarial trial, it collapsed spectacularly.

The whole exercise was a pencil whipping to coverup a plainly illegal killing. I don't think the actual letter of the law matters much here compared to the corrupt intent of the people working the case. DA's are probably the most important office holder anyone in this country can vote for, the power they wield is immense and frequently has very little oversight.

Once the video was released the whole coverup collapsed rapidly. It was a work of legal fiction that, thankfully, did not survive after the video was released to the public.

Once again, I am very thankful these idiots told on themselves in such a catastrophic way. They were absolutely going to get away with this lynching had they had the good sense to memory hole the snuff film.
 
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