Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
Moving back to the trial. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the direct exam of Travis. I watched it live in disbelief. I was curious if you watched it and had any observations.
Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial
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Moving back to the trial. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the direct exam of Travis. I watched it live in disbelief. I was curious if you watched it and had any observations.
I did not. Sorry.
Athyrio
Hipster Doofus
Absolutely.
As one who is retired after 32 years and 2 months from the Georgia Department of Mental Health and Development Disabilities of which Gateway Behavioral Health Services in Brunswick is a part of, there are some posters here who cannot separate the ideal from the real in the most recent part of this thread.
Stick with your personal reality. We’re talking about Georgia here.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
I didn't think there was any video coverage inside the courtroom of the Federal trial?
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Another one!!
But I am sure that our usual suspects will be along soon to either try to use some smoke & mirrors to somehow spin this as them misspeaking, and that they really meant.... something!
Either that or...
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Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
I was asking about the state trial. Sorry, should have made that clear.
Thermal
August Member
Continuing the inexplicable derail:
Yes. And the six headings on the page are "RN to BSN', "Your State", "How to Become", "Nursing Programs", "Nursing Careers", and "RN Jobs". It only has to do with career and job training. It is not a "medical source". As I said.
The unaffiliated lone website of (for some reason only clear to you) a Texan with a blog that has not been written in for years. As I said.
Yes. It's a newsletter, not a medical source. As I said.
Yes. It describes itself, in its own words, as a media publishing site. As I said.
I suppose some utterly random website from a Texan nurse is superior? If you say so.
*glances again at the nurse's blog*
I really don't get what you are arguing here. You seem to be bolstering the claim that Arbery was seriously mentally ill, which is apologetics for the defense. I am arguing that it is clean pool to question that diagnosis, and further render it inadmissable/irrelevant, which supports the prosecution.
It generally takes longer than two hours to make a diagnosis resulting in drug treatment (I note you ignore my arguments in favor of defending your weak-ass citations). The evaluator has to rule out substance abuse and other causes, including flat-out lying, before rendering a diagnosis. Do you disagree?
eta: forgot: the defense argued in it's brief that the diagnosis was based on Arbery saying he heard voices telling him to hurt people, in this brief diagnostic appointment. That's all it says. Seem like adequate justification for dropping the diagnostic gavel and doping a brother up? A single sentence?
Yes. And the six headings on the page are "RN to BSN', "Your State", "How to Become", "Nursing Programs", "Nursing Careers", and "RN Jobs". It only has to do with career and job training. It is not a "medical source". As I said.
The unaffiliated lone website of (for some reason only clear to you) a Texan with a blog that has not been written in for years. As I said.
Yes. It's a newsletter, not a medical source. As I said.
Yes. It describes itself, in its own words, as a media publishing site. As I said.
I suppose some utterly random website from a Texan nurse is superior? If you say so.
*glances again at the nurse's blog*
I really don't get what you are arguing here. You seem to be bolstering the claim that Arbery was seriously mentally ill, which is apologetics for the defense. I am arguing that it is clean pool to question that diagnosis, and further render it inadmissable/irrelevant, which supports the prosecution.
It generally takes longer than two hours to make a diagnosis resulting in drug treatment (I note you ignore my arguments in favor of defending your weak-ass citations). The evaluator has to rule out substance abuse and other causes, including flat-out lying, before rendering a diagnosis. Do you disagree?
eta: forgot: the defense argued in it's brief that the diagnosis was based on Arbery saying he heard voices telling him to hurt people, in this brief diagnostic appointment. That's all it says. Seem like adequate justification for dropping the diagnostic gavel and doping a brother up? A single sentence?
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Suddenly
No Punting
I mean, he said that without records it is hard to tell.
You are really arguing with that guy about this?
I mean, go ahead. I enjoy smartcooky's dunk gifs. I would suggest DeAndre Jordan's dunk over Brandon Knight as appropriate if this keeps going as it is.
Thermal
August Member
We are having a minor sidebar discussion about credibility of citations. Is that a problem?
I mean, not really. Really, Shadowdweller is just being contrarian, and smartcooky is mindlessly backslapping (while calling a blogs and newsletters "medical sources"). You'll note that they gleefully move the goalposts from the claimed Nurse Practitioner to the much higher trained Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner, hoping no one would notice, then refuse to address the difference.
Oh, I have seen the pattern with sc's gifs. It means he has no argument, and high-fives others like a kid on the playground to convince himself he's winning. Pretty predictable, but tips his hat that he knows he ****** up but can't admit it.
TurkeysGhost
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This seems like the most relevant part of this pointless derail
Arbery could have been as mad as a hatter, but i really don't see how it's relevant. Nothing about his behavior, at least as far as we know it after the fact, seems that irregular. A desperate charge at an armed man menacing him, after attempts to flee had failed, was not erratic behavior.
The only people who strike me as mentally unbalanced here are the three murderers who decided that lynching was an appropriate response to petty trespass.
Arbery could have been as mad as a hatter, but i really don't see how it's relevant. Nothing about his behavior, at least as far as we know it after the fact, seems that irregular. A desperate charge at an armed man menacing him, after attempts to flee had failed, was not erratic behavior.
The only people who strike me as mentally unbalanced here are the three murderers who decided that lynching was an appropriate response to petty trespass.
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
The fact that you studiously avoided commenting on this bit....
... has not gone unnoticed!
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Thermal
August Member
"Nonsense snipped". There's the matching bookend to your gifs.
What needs comment? Of course they are credentialed. The probation officer couldn't send them there if they weren't. So? Does everyone with proper credentials do their jobs properly? The DA in this case was properly credentialed. She just the Bee's knees, is she?
I have a great deal of respect for the time it takes to do a thorough psychiatric diagnosis. You guys think it's a quickie thing. Great. I'll just continue to side with the prosecution, here.
Thermal
August Member
Oh, so our construction worker is making a psychiatric diagnosis now
Can you point out said diagnosis? Please feel free to refer to its designation in DSM 5. Cuz what I see is a laypersons casual description of well-known behavior.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Your nonsense was snipped because it was ... nonsense. It deserved to be treated as such, and with the contempt it deserved.
Oh, and my posting of gifs has nothing to do with "having no argument" or "high-fiving others like a kid on the playground" or "convincing myself I'm winning". Rather, it is an expression of my enjoyment while I watch people, as Shadowdweller so aptly put it "start pontificating on subjects they know absolutely nothing about" and then watching them squirm when someone who actually does know what they are talking about comes along, like Shadowdweller did, and puts them firmly in their place.
I will continue to post gifs to express that enjoyment, and if you don't like it... tough!
Thermal
August Member
Instead of your pissy personal attacks, how about addressing the arguments presented?
Is the Texan Nurses site a "medical source"? How about newsletters? They "medical sources", too?
Can a Nurse Practitioner make a psychiatric diagnosis in Georgia? No goalpost movring again to Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner, please.
I mean, it's pretty petty stuff being argued about. Is saying "oops, my bad" such a painful thing to you? We all.make trivial mistakes. Its not a reflection on who we are here.
Eta; btw, I don't think Shadowdwellers "pontificating" comment was directed at me, as they were quoting another poster. Hard to tell with their indirect posting style, though.
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
The arguments have already been addressed, by Shadowdweller, and they have been conclusively settled to my satisfaction. Your nonsense needs no further addressing or debate.
In terms of this discussion, yes they are IMO - its an opinion I will be sticking to, and you can take that to the bank! --- (see the next post)
FTFY, and yes.
Specifying qualifications is a not "moving the goalposts". However, attempting to preclude a reply by calling it one is known as a "poisoning the well" fallacy.
It clearly is for you!
I, on the other hand, I have not said anything about this alleged psychiatric diagnosis. I have not mentioned anything about it, and I have not taken a position on whether Arbery was mentally ill or not, so I have made no mistake to admit. On that particular subject, all I have been doing is sitting in the stalls throwing tomatoes at the pontificaters, and enjoyed watching them getting handed their arse.
Well, of course, I would expect you think that! I think it was directed at anyone who was pontificating about things they knew nothing about, and you were one of them.
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Just to expand on the value of Newsletters, a number of which I subscribe to. These are often curated by experts in the relevant fields, and their contributors are highly qualified people sharing their knowledge with others in their field.
I consider publications such as the "NASA Newsletter", "Aerospace Manufacturing", "Aviation Week Newsletters", "Flightradar24 Aviation Newsletter." to be valuable sources of reliable and up-to-date information in a field that interests me. They have enabled to me to make what I have been told by some members, to be valuable contributions to topics involving aviation.
I see no reason whatsoever why such newsletters of the medical profession, contributed to and curated by medical processionals such as nurses and doctors would not also be reliable sources.
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ponderingturtle
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So if our three murderers knew him, and knew his medical history and used that as the basis for murdering him. That is supposed to help them how? The only things Aubrey did that are relevant are the behaviors after these murderers started to chase him down for being black and apparently because they knew his medical history and that he was mentally ill, because they wanted to go full nazi on him both for being black and for being mentally ill.
No still not seeing how any discussion of his mental health has any relevancy to our murderers actions.
No still not seeing how any discussion of his mental health has any relevancy to our murderers actions.
Suddenly
No Punting
It was an ploy by the defense to use race along with the stigma against the mentally ill to appeal to a white juror's sense of visceral terror of being charged by a crazy black man.