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So the Apollo 14 moonlanding mission around February 2, 1971 and the October 9, 2009 double impact on the moon are connected with the Tunguska event, with the Apollo 14 moonlanding mission at Phi point.
The signifigance of Earth's orbital position at this Phi point ( around february 2 ) in relation to the 'communication' that is taking place, the Tunguska event as warning, becomes clear in 2003: its the same orbital position of Earth when spaceshuttle Columbia desintegrated on reentry, on February 1, 2003.
Dutch, this is sloppy even by your standards. The Apollo 14 mission had a total time in space of ten days, and there is no significant event within the Apollo 14 mission that occurs on February 1, 2, or 3 (your +/- one day fudge factor.) The only thing linking Apollo 14 to the Columbia loss is the calendar. And the Columbia incident isn't even on this particular Phi time spiral, so your linking it to the Tunguska event via Apollo 14 is just non-sensical hand waving.

Earth's orbital positions are marking the 'communication' that is taking place. The Phi point between the Tunguska event on June 30, 1908 and the Deep Impact on comet Temple I unveils where this 'Tunguska warning' is aimed at:
July 21, 1945
US President Harry S. Truman approves order for atomic bombs to be used.
I'll ask again: What is your source for declaring that Truman decided to use the atomic bomb on July 21, 1945? (Aside from your need to fit it into your pet timeline.)
 
From the diary of Harry S Truman.
July 25th, 1945

"This weapon is to be used against Japan between now and August 10th. I have told the Sec. of War, Mr. Stimson, to use it so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children. Even if the Japs are savages, ruthless, merciless and fanatic, we as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop that terrible bomb on the old capital or the new."

Robert H. Ferrell, Off the Record: The Private Papers of Harry S. Truman (New York: Harper and Row, 1980) pp. 55-56. Truman's writings are in the public domain.
 
Seems like there is some slop in dates. Is there an error bar built into hyperdimensional design Phi or Pi predictions? How many days out does it take, Dutch, before you disregard a possibly corellated event?
 
Welcome to the thread, don't hold your breath for a useful or polite answer from Dutch.

Seems like there is some slop in dates.
Usually as much as is required


Is there an error bar built into hyperdimensional design Phi or Pi predictions?
I suggest you try a couple of pages at random to see if you can find a consistent answer.


How many days out does it take, Dutch, before you disregard a possibly corellated event?
The beauty of his system for Dutch is that he decides what is correlated first and then tries to find a way to link it, no matter how vague or factually inaccurate.
 
Thanks for the welcome, Paul.

Well, foo...it just took one page at random to find what I wanted.

Dutch, from post 23 you state the hyperdimensional projections for a particular "shape" intersect with a +/- 1 day. Is that your error bar for selecting an event, Dutch?

I am being niave, aren't I?
 
I doubt that you could without an over simplified emotional appeal.

Anyway, that wasn't messing with nuclear power was it, please try to respond to the actual point or question raised.



ps if you're going to add strawmen, at least try to spell them correctly.

? no idea what you mean here
 
Please tell us how much time you think must transpire between a man (or a spacecraft with men) not being on the moon and that man (or spacecraft with men) being on the moon?

? elaborate please, thought you were arguing about the 'peak' issue here again, that's why I used the srebrenica example again
 
Trust me your continued responses can deter little from what was already quite evident very early on in this thread. Your “material” debunks itself.
nope

the continued coincidences prove this material right. not to you though, but that's something else
 
Dutch, this is sloppy even by your standards. The Apollo 14 mission had a total time in space of ten days, and there is no significant event within the Apollo 14 mission that occurs on February 1, 2, or 3 (your +/- one day fudge factor.) The only thing linking Apollo 14 to the Columbia loss is the calendar. And the Columbia incident isn't even on this particular Phi time spiral, so your linking it to the Tunguska event via Apollo 14 is just non-sensical hand waving.

we have discussed before how you should look at a timeframe, I gave the example of the venus transit, go read again. the determined 'peak' date is February 2, 1971, with the launch a few days earlier and an actual impact on the moon 2 days later, followed by the moonlanding the next day. nicely centered around the determined 'peak date'.
columbia integrated within this very same orbital position and if you read the post I also talk about orbital positions. put it in perspective if you want to quote. I will repost the last 2 significant ones otherwise your quotes are starting their own lives
 
I'll ask again: What is your source for declaring that Truman decided to use the atomic bomb on July 21, 1945? (Aside from your need to fit it into your pet timeline.)

told you before, first thing that showed up on wiki after I first determined this phi point
 
Seems like there is some slop in dates. Is there an error bar built into hyperdimensional design Phi or Pi predictions? How many days out does it take, Dutch, before you disregard a possibly corellated event?

I consider the determined dates to be 'peak' dates. Especially at macrolevel, events just don't occur in a splitsecond or even a single day. The underlying themes are getting momentum towards the 'peak date' and this will lessen afterwards. Normally I use a +/- 1 day timeframe but a few days around the 'peak date' are also valid. It also depends on other timecoded patterns that could initiate an early or late expression of the underlying themes on a specific timecoded pattern. What I do see alot that there's a 3 days difference between en expected event on a determined date and the actual date. not sure why yet
 
Thanks for the welcome, Paul.

Well, foo...it just took one page at random to find what I wanted.

Dutch, from post 23 you state the hyperdimensional projections for a particular "shape" intersect with a +/- 1 day. Is that your error bar for selecting an event, Dutch?

I am being niave, aren't I?

normally I use a +/- 1 day timeframe yes but that's probably way to rigid. see the explanation I have just given
 
repost because new readers would miss it

That's exactly why Tunguska has happened



I suddenly had this thought while at work and decided to check.
I wanted to see if the Phi point between the 'incoming communication' Tunguska event on june 30, 1908 and this lunar landing on October 9, 2009 would give confirmation of the underlying Design.
June 30, 1908 - October 9, 2009 = 36.992 days
Phi point is at 36.992 / 1.61803399 = 22.862 days
we talk about the timeframe around February 2, 1971
a timeframe that showed another 'impact' on the moon:
On January 31, 1971 Apollo 14 (carrying astronauts Alan Shepard, Stuart Roosa, and Edgar Mitchell) lifts off on the third successful lunar landing mission. The Apollo 14 landed on the Moon on February 5, 1971.
Apollo 14 was the eighth manned mission in the Apollo program and the third mission to land on the Moon. The nine-day mission was launched on January 31, 1971, with lunar touch down on February 5. The Lunar Module landed in the Fra Mauro formation; this had originally been the target of the ill-fated Apollo 13 mission. During the two lunar EVA's over 100 pounds of moon rock was collected and several surface experiments, including seismic studies, were carried out. Commander Alan Shepard famously hit two golf balls on the lunar surface with a make-shift club he had brought from Earth. Command Module Pilot Stuart Roosa took several hundred seeds on the mission, many of which were germinated on return resulting in the so called Moon trees.
The crew got some good-natured razzing in the astronaut office[citation needed] as the first "all-rookie" Apollo crew (Shepard's 1961 flight on Freedom 7 was a suborbital flight).
Shepard was the oldest U.S. astronaut when he made his trip aboard Apollo 14.[2] He is the only astronaut from Project Mercury (the original Mercury Seven astronauts) to reach the Moon. Another of the original seven, Gordon Cooper, had originally been scheduled to command the mission, but according to Chaikin, his casual attitude toward training, along with problems with NASA hierarchy (reaching all the way back to the Mercury-Atlas 9 flight) resulted in his removal.
The mission was a personal triumph for Shepard, who had battled back from Ménière’s disease which grounded him from 1964 to 1968. He and his crew were originally scheduled to fly on Apollo 13, but in 1969 NASA Administrators switched the scheduled crews for Apollo 13 and 14. This was done to place the more experienced Apollo 8 veteran James Lovell in command of what would have been the first lunar landing mission if both Apollo 11 and Apollo 12 had failed to successfully land.
As of 2009, Mitchell is the only surviving member of the crew; Roosa died in 1994 from pancreatitis and Shepard in 1998 from leukemia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_14
So the Tunguska message IS connected to this Apollo 14 moonlanding mission and this October 9, 2009 moon Impact!
 
and this one:

So today mankind will cause another Impact in space.
Just like Deep Impact on comet Temple I on July 4, 2005, we will crash on the moon twice today October 9.
I have talked about the Pi correlations that are expressed with the Deep Impact/Epoxi spacemission and I recommend to reread previous posts aboout this Pi-connection.
Its the Golden Mean Phi that unveils the connectedness between these manmade impacts in space, at Phi point in between these 2 impacts we have seen another manmade Impact in space: the satellite shootdown of February 21, 2008.
I wrote on October 3:

On October 7 I added:

So the Apollo 14 moonlanding mission around February 2, 1971 and the October 9, 2009 double impact on the moon are connected with the Tunguska event, with the Apollo 14 moonlanding mission at Phi point.
The signifigance of Earth's orbital position at this Phi point ( around february 2 ) in relation to the 'communication' that is taking place, the Tunguska event as warning, becomes clear in 2003: its the same orbital position of Earth when spaceshuttle Columbia desintegrated on reentry, on February 1, 2003.
Earth's orbital positions are marking the 'communication' that is taking place. The Phi point between the Tunguska event on June 30, 1908 and the Deep Impact on comet Temple I unveils where this 'Tunguska warning' is aimed at:
July 21, 1945
US President Harry S. Truman approves order for atomic bombs to be used.
So This Tunguska event seems to be a warning not tu use nuclear weapons and to stay out of space with activities like the impact on a comet. I have already spoken alot of these correlations but now it appears that there's much more 'confirmative' to this 'communication'.
Tunguska is Golden Mean connected to the decission to use nuclear weapons and Deep Impact on Temple I
AND
Tunguska is Golden Mean connected to the Apollo 14 moonlanding mission and todays double Impact on the moon
AND
these 2 manmade impacts in space are Golden Mean connected via another manmade impact in space: the satellite shootdown.
But that's not all
The Phi point between Tunguska and Deep Impact is July 21, 1945, marking one of the biggest mistakes of mankind: the use of nuclear weapons. Its Earth's orbital position again that is marking the 'communication' that is taking place.
Its the same orbital postion of Earth as during the Apollo 11 moonlanding mission.
The Apollo 11 mission was the first human spaceflight to land on the Moon. Launched on July 16, 1969, it carried Mission Commander Neil Alden Armstrong, Command Module Pilot Michael Collins, and Lunar Module Pilot Edwin Eugene 'Buzz' Aldrin, Jr. On July 20, Armstrong and Aldrin became the first humans to land on the Moon,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11
So we have the decission to drop the nuclear bomb and the first humans on the moon with Earth at the same orbital position.
Tunguska in relation to Earth is like Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 in relation to Jupiter, in the 'communication' that is taking place.
With Earth at same orbital position as during the timeframe around July 20, with this nuclear decission and the first humans to land on the moon, exactly 25 years later:
Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 (SL9, formally designated D/1993 F2) was a comet that broke apart and collided with Jupiter in July 1994, providing the first direct observation of an extraterrestrial collision of solar system objects.
In July 1992 the orbit of Shoemaker-Levy 9 passed within Jupiter's Roche limit, and Jupiter's tidal forces acted to pull the comet apart. SL9 was later observed as a series of fragments ranging up to 2 km (1.2 mi) in diameter. These fragments collided with Jupiter's southern hemisphere between July 16 and July 22, 1994, at a speed of approximately 60 km/s (37 mi/s). The prominent scars from the impacts were more easily visible than the Great Red Spot and persisted for many months.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker-Levy_9
Well, nice coincidence you might think. Such an impact on a planet hapens only once in a lifetime, or at least its just a coincidence that Earth is at same orbital position as during the first moon landing mission and the decission to use atomic bombs.
Coincidence?
exactly 15 years later, with Earth again at the same orbital position again:
July 20th, 2009
Jupiter Impact Confirmed
As we reported yesterday, an amateur astronomer snapped evidence of an impact on Jupiter. Now, NASA has confirmed the black spot on the giant gas planet is in fact an impact and not just a weather-related disturbance. And Anthony Wesley has now made the biggest observation of his life.
This new impact occurred exactly 15 years after the first impacts by the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, and as the celebrations of the Apollo 11 moon landings are taking place.
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/20/jupiter-impact-confirmed/
The message of this 'communication' should be clear
Tunguska is a warning
Human consciousness must remain Earthbound and we should not interfere with objects in space
we must not mess with nuclear power
 
and this one, ofcourse

After I had written my previous post and crossposted it at several forums, I wanted the check the news about this moon impact so I want to space daily and guess what:
I wrote:

unbeleivable: there has been an actual impact too!!!!!
LRO Sees Apollo 14's Rocket Booster Impact Site
Oct 09, 2009
A distinctive crater about 35 meters (115 feet) in diameter was formed when the Apollo 14 Saturn IVB (upper stage) was intentionally impacted into the moon. The energy of the impact created small tremors that were measured by the seismometer placed on the Moon by Apollo 12 astronauts in 1969.

edit: picture removed, not sure if its allowed

The crater in the center of this image was formed by Apollo 14's Saturn IVB booster. The booster was intentionally impacted into the lunar surface on Feb. 4, 1971. The impact caused a minor "moonquake" that scientists used to learn about the moon's interior structure. Seismometers placed on the surface by Apollo astronauts returned data on the tremor.
http://www.moondaily.com/reports/LRO_Sees_Apollo_14_Rocket_Booster_Impact_Site_999.html
Tunguska - Moon Impact - Moon Impact
connected by Phi point Golden Mean
unbelievable
fundamental truth
next in line of thought would be that the Tunguska event and the Apollo 11 first humans on the moon would show a related event in this 'communication' that is taking place, with the first humans on the moon at Phi point.
We talk about April 13-14, 2007:
A NASA Review Board finds that the Mars Global Surveyor stopped working in November 2006 due to computer programming errors.
The Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) was a US spacecraft developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and launched November 1996. It began the United States's return to Mars after a 10-year absence. It completed its primary mission in January 2001 and was in its third extended mission phase when, on November 2, 2006, the spacecraft failed to respond to messages and commands. A faint signal was detected three days later which indicated that the craft had gone into safe mode. All attempts to recontact the Mars Global Surveyor and resolve the problem failed. In January 2007 NASA officially ended the mission.
Mars Global Surveyor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Global_Surveyor
Panel Says Computer Error Felled Mars Orbiter
Published: April 14, 2007
Although it circled Mars longer than any other spacecraft, the Mars Global Surveyor did not die a death of old age last November, a review board assembled by NASA announced yesterday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/14/science/space/14mars.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
The Mars Global Surveyor was taken out by Design with Earth around the same orbital position as during the launch, 10 years apart. Launched on November 7, 1996, last received message November 5, 2006.
Tunguska - humans on moon - loss of Mars Global Surveyor
the message should be clear: we must NOT go to Mars


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? no idea what you mean here
OK, allowing for the fact that you just might be unable to understand the original point, I'll reiterate:

Despite many, many, many explanations to the contrary, you still insist that there is some vague message about the dangers of nuclear power. The nuclear weapons you refer to were designed to explode and so worked as required and, whatever the morals of their use, are not an example of unintended danger. As also mentioned before, nuclear power is used daily, all over the world and in space, without incident, and has been for years.
 
told you before, first thing that showed up on wiki after I first determined this phi point
Yet after many posts pointing out hat there appears to be no evidence for the truth of the assertion, you still insist on using it. Why is that?
 
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