How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[yankee451]

FDR...in the crater.

RADAR track to the crater.

DNA from the actual passengers actually on the flight in and around the crater.

Pieces of the 757, Flight 93, in and around the crater.

Missile debris not found in or around the crater, or anywhere in the extended scene...oh, yeah--the missiles were not available in 2001...

I tell you, it was a Cylon Mk II-B Raider, it was!

The people who claim they had to dig 25 feet down to find the FDR are the same people who claim they found all the DNA of the non-existant passengers. Your claim that pieces of jet were found around the crater is hogwash. Are you expecting them to actually report missile debris to you? Who are you to them other than someone to foot the bill for their wars?

 

[brazenlilraisin]

Can you draw me a picture??

If this helps you to understand that plane crash evidence is evidence for a plane crash and not for a missile strike, well, I'm happy to oblige.

 

[tsig]

Yankee,

Still waiting to know why crash physics allows an entire fuselage to burrow under soil but not wings.

So am I.

Why would I rely on someone else to explain it to me?

Interesting.

 

[yankee451]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=633&pictureid=7385[/qimg]


If this helps you to understand that plane crash evidence is evidence for a plane crash and not for a missile strike, well, I'm happy to oblige.

Compelling argument, thanks for dropping by.

 

[Kid Eager]

The people who claim they had to dig 25 feet down to find the FDR are the same people who claim they found all the DNA of the non-existant passengers. Your claim that pieces of jet were found around the crater is hogwash. Are you expecting them to actually report missile debris to you? Who are you to them other than someone to foot the bill for their wars?

Where's your evidence to support this absurd hand-wave?

 

[tsig]

The people who claim they had to dig 25 feet down to find the FDR are the same people who claim they found all the DNA of the non-existant passengers. Your claim that pieces of jet were found around the crater is hogwash. Are you expecting them to actually report missile debris to you? Who are you to them other than someone to foot the bill for their wars?

So the first responders are in on it, the coroner and all the families are in on it and the people who fire the missiles are in on it as well as all the support groups. The circle of conspirators is widening rapidly.

 

[Axxman300]

Why missiles? Oh, I don't know...maybe because they can where a plane can't.

Cruise missiles are airplanes.

Not that you care, but the crate from a single cruise missile would be larger than the crater. The crater left from two would be larger and deeper.

But I get it, you're lonely.

 

[Axxman300]

The people who claim they had to dig 25 feet down to find the FDR are the same people who claim they found all the DNA of the non-existant passengers. Your claim that pieces of jet were found around the crater is hogwash. Are you expecting them to actually report missile debris to you? Who are you to them other than someone to foot the bill for their wars?

So they planted jet parts, faked DNA, and faked a plane full of passengers and crew...but they overlooked making even one of the terrorist hijackers an Iraqi, or Afghan Taliban.

Your grasp of logic is mind blowing.

 

[beachnut]

Absence of Debris is a lie about 93

Can you show me any other crater left by a plane crash that looks like Shansville?

Wedge-shaped crater? No.

Absense of debris visible from the air? No.

Absence of debris; your idiotic lie, a failed claim.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg

Your claims are made to discredit the government so the war stops? You lie to get your way? Like Nixon, or other people who think the ends justify the means. Your illusions/fantasy has you doing the tings you hate others for.


Here are two Air Force high speed impacts. Dead pilots buried deep, like you like to make up fantasy about and ignore the dead. Why do you ignore the dead?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

You don't do physics, you will not understand the following photos, and you don't give a darn about dead people.

High speed crashes, including 93. Too bad you don't do physics, you would know your fantasy failed.

Every-time you say something about 911, it is debunked, refuted, destroyed. Your fantasy on 911 is so far out, the rest of 911 truth bans you, like they ban people telling the truth. Your fantasy is banned by 911 truth, like the truth is. You debunk yourself, and don't know it.


I spent 28 years plus on the hook to serve my country; you have spent 28 years plus to make up fantasy. My family holds education high, and my "state" sponsored school emphasized thinking for yourself, not to lie, not to spread false information, etc. Sorry you missed the indoctrination to be nice, not lie, tell the truth, and help others. You make fun of those who died on 911. What do you have to say about that?
http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Your work, and your comments, say it all.

I am gullible, god and country, etc. apple pie, the girl next-door. What do you stand for? Lies and fantasy.

 

[yankee451]

Cruise missiles are airplanes.

Not that you care, but the crate from a single cruise missile would be larger than the crater. The crater left from two would be larger and deeper.

But I get it, you're lonely.

Not that you care, but this was addressed many pages ago.

Originally Posted by Oystein
The highlighted part - you know this ... how?
Because I read.



A 500 pound
bomb containing about 200 pounds of explosive blows about a 30
foot diameter crater perhaps 11 feet deep in loose soil.
http://yarchive.net/explosives/avalanche.html

The production JASSM contains the WDU-42/B (J-1000), a 1000-pound class, penetrating warhead with 240 pounds of AFX-757.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/jassm.htm
Based on the size of the explosives and the measurements of the crater, the weapon's warhead would make a crater roughly the size as Shanksville.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8973761&postcount=394

 

[yankee451]

So they planted jet parts, faked DNA, and faked a plane full of passengers and crew...but they overlooked making even one of the terrorist hijackers an Iraqi, or Afghan Taliban.

Your grasp of logic is mind blowing.

Evidently you think they're smarter than they think we are.

 

[yankee451]

Where's your evidence to support this absurd hand-wave?

All you do is hand-wave. What's your beef now? Be specific please.

 

[chris lz]

Originally Posted by chris lz
Yankee,

Still waiting to know why crash physics allows an entire fuselage to burrow under soil but not wings.

So am I.

Here are three theoretical choices

1) An airliner may crash such that its fuselage burrows under soil rendering it invisible, or very nearly so, but not its wings.

2) An airliner may crash such that its fuselage burrows under soil rendering it invisible, or very nearly so, including its wings.

3) An airliner may not crash in such a way that its fuselage burrows under soil rendering it invisible, or very nearly so.

Please tell us if you would which of the above three statements best corresponds with your knowledge of crash physics.

 

[beachnut]

All you do is hand-wave. What's your beef now? Be specific please.

Wow, amazingly you posted all your evidence all at once, in one very concise post. You even hand-waved better than your fantasy.

Missile used, not in the inventory on 911. How can you try harder to debunk your own fantasy? It would be hard to impossible. Your grandkids will have no doubt about you.

What do you think about those who died on 911?
http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

 

[yankee451]

Here are three theoretical choices

1) An airliner may crash such that its fuselage burrows under soil rendering it invisible, or very nearly so, but not its wings.

2) An airliner may crash such that its fuselage burrows under soil rendering it invisible, or very nearly so, including its wings.

3) An airliner may not crash in such a way that its fuselage burrows under soil rendering it invisible, or very nearly so.

Please tell us if you would which of the above three statements best corresponds with your knowledge of crash physics.

Are these my only choices? Who's administering this test? What are your credentials?

Remember, I'm the guy saying that based on other jet crashes, Shanksville looks nothing like one. But if it doesn't look like a jet crash, what DOES it look like. Fortunately NASA gives us a clue with photos of oblique meteroite impacts on the moon.

You fellas are the plane-huggers.

 

[fess]

Can you show me any other crater left by a plane crash that looks like Shansville?

Well, being that only one aircraft crashed in Shanksville, no I can’t. Bur thanks for agreeing with me that no two air crashes look the same.

Wedge-shaped crater? No.

Maybe not the same shape as your supposed wedge, but more than one air crash tore a big hole in the ground.

Absense of debris visible from the air? No.

This is a lie.

BTW, why did you completely ignore the post just before the one that you quoted?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Fortunately NASA gives us a clue with photos of oblique meteroite impacts on the moon.

I thought it was a missile.

 

[Mudcat]

The people who claim they had to dig 25 feet down to find the FDR are the same people who claim they found all the DNA of the non-existant passengers. Your claim that pieces of jet were found around the crater is hogwash.

Yankee, they found the aircraft components.

I know that doesn't mean much to you, but with the exception of some very specific and limited items everything that goes onto an aircraft is recorded in the logbooks and Form 337 (if it is a Major Alteration). They're recorded by make, model, serial number and is as unique as a finger print.

That means the NTSD and the FAA had found the components, pulled all of Flight 93's permanent records, and confirmed the parts piece by piece. At end of the week there probably was no doubt remaining that the components came from the aircraft that allegedly went down in Shanksville. By the end of the month they could probably retrace the service of that aircraft from the moment it went into the ground back to moment the aircraft was commissioned.

Every flight hour, inspection, maintenance, overhaul, and layover accounted for...

So, what? This aircraft never existed? All that is part of some kind of fiction?

Sounds, at the very least, unlikely.

 

[chris lz]

So am I.

Are these my only choices? Who's administering this test? What are your credentials?

Remember, I'm the guy saying that based on other jet crashes, Shanksville looks nothing like one. But if it doesn't look like a jet crash, what DOES it look like. Fortunately NASA gives us a clue with photos of oblique meteroite impacts on the moon.

You fellas are the plane-huggers.

I didn't say they were your only choices. I did say Please. Credentials aren't needed to be curious. It's a perfectly reasonable question. Why can't you be a good sport and just let us know which of these possibilities is most realistic to you? Is there some reason why you don't want us to know which possibility is most realistic to you?

Thanks

 

[fess]

And yet the topic is "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made.

Now's your chance to prove how a jet is a better answer than cruise missles in crossfire. Can you draw me a picture??

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/detonated_undetonated.png[/qimg]

You still haven’t explained how the missile fired from the west made it through all of those trees.

Military pilots are really good at hitting their IP’s on a strafing or ground support run with missiles. So what happened with the pilot who fired the third missile?