How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[yankee451]

Deceptive edit... nice.

Is that your way of saying "hey, now that you mention it, that soil looks pretty rocky"?

 

[Justin39640]

Is that your way of saying "hey, now that you mention it, that soil looks pretty rocky"?

Nope, it looks like the excavator isn't traveling at a 500 mph downward velocity. Excavators have treads. That spreads its weight over a large area. Just the kind of machine you need to go into loose soil.

 

[yankee451]

Nope, it looks like the excavator isn't traveling at a 500 mph downward velocity. Excavators have treads. That spreads its weight over a large area. Just the kind of machine you need to go into loose soil.

loose, rocky soil he sez.

So you believe the jet burrowed in and the loose, rocky soil fell back in on top of it.

If you say so chief.

 

[Kid Eager]

All over this thead there are people hopping up and down screaming about how the site "looks" just like a jet crash. That and the TeeVee were the only the "scientific study" they needed. That's the source of your deja-vu.

Again, there appears to be a small problem with synonyms. "Evidence" is not the same as "looks". The evidence at the site is consistent with a plane crash.

You're the one claiming it isn't, hence the deja-vu equivalence.

Do keep going though. I breathlessly await the beginning of your evidence.

 

[beachnut]

More Fantasy, as we Gish Gallop from crazy claim to stupid claims and back

Speaking of evidence - does this ground look soft to you? If it was so soft it could swallow a plane, why use a backhoe? Weren't they afraid of the backhoe sinking? Or is the backhoe needed because the soil is so rocky?

Did they dust the engine off after the backhoe unearthed it?

If the backhoe bucket had just unearthed this engine, why does it look like the engine was dropped in an existing hole? Did they sweep the thing off for a photo-op or what?

The ground is soft compared to Stone Mountain. Why would the equipment sink into the ground it took an engine 487 knots to get into the ground, the airspeed of the equipment is zero in the down direction. Are you this bad at reality?

The engine is full of dirt, sucked in at impact. All the people you make fun of died right there, some buried near the engine, they were crushed, because they are not made of titanium.

What happen to the passengers in your silly fantasy?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Lucky none of your family or friends were not on the plane. Are dumb fantasies and lies the legacy you want to leave your grandkids?

 

[threadworm]

loose, rocky soil he sez.

So you believe the jet burrowed in and the loose, rocky soil fell back in on top of it.

If you say so chief.

Once again you illustrate perfectly your comprehension issues with facts.

He said loose soil.

You added 'rocky'.

It may well be described accurately as loose rocky soil, but that isn;t what was said. You're very good at adding things that aren't there if you think it makes your point better, just as you're happy to distort what has been said in order to make your point, as you did earlier to Justin39640's consecutive posts.

Lying or incompetent?

 

[Mudcat]

loose, rocky soil he sez.

So you believe the jet burrowed in and the loose, rocky soil fell back in on top of it.

If you say so chief.

I'm not sure if I understand what your objection is any more.

Is it that the soil was loose and rocky? Is that some of the airliner burrowed into the ground? Is it that the rocky soil fell back in on top of what just burrowed into the ground?

Please help me out here, because none of this seems at all odd to me.

 

[NoahFence]

He must be well on his way of winning a bet or something. This whole thread is just stupid piled on stupid.

 

[GlennB]

He must be well on his way of winning a bet or something.

The payout had better be good. He's put a lot of work into this.

 

[StankApe]

What geographical area exists that has either solid rock or quicksand?

 

[Slowvehicle]

It's a common mistake:

"Mistaken" is the same thing as "incompetent"

...thank you...

 

[LSSBB]

MSPaintCAD?

Part of a product suite developed by C7, also includes MSPaintFire, MSPaintStillEditor, and MSExcelFEA

 

[chris lz]

Page 27 and still waiting for the conclusive disproof.

 

[chris lz]

Yankee,

Still waiting to know why crash physics allows an entire fuselage to burrow under soil but not wings.

 

[fess]

Check? Have you checked? Can you point them out to me?

So you want me to do your work for you? Why can’t you check for yourself?

Why would the entire wing not enter the ground when the entire fuselage and tail did?

Are you saying that all of debris around the area did not contain parts of the wings, fuselage, or the empennage?

This doesn't even work for a cartoon, but then you have the TeeVee which is all you need, eh?

I don’t own a “TeeVee”, but I did notice the sarcastic nature of your post.

Okay youse pilot types, this fellow claims the wing is more massive than the engine. Can any of you pipe in or are you fine with that statement?

I am a pilot “type”, and I made no such claim. By more massive, do you mean in area, weight, or density?

 

[fess]

I know-ow! It looks just like a jet crash. Uncanny, isn't it.

Can you show me one air crash that looks exactly like all, or any of the other air crashes?

 

[SlightlyAbovePar]

Ultima1, is that you? I'm completely serious with my question.

 

[Mark F]

Can you show me one air crash that looks exactly like all, or any of the other air crashes?

I am still waiting for him to show us a JASSM crater that looks exactly like the crater in Shanksville. Again - this is his standard of evidence but apparently it doesn't apply to his theories.

After that he can explain the FDR, the wreckage, the radar tracks, DNA and what happened to Flight 93 and its passengers and crew. Then maybe he can explain why the Navy would should some experimental missiles into a field in Pensylvania.

 

[George 152]

Yankee,

Still waiting to know why crash physics allows an entire fuselage to burrow under soil but not wings.

Stop interviewing your keyboard and actually read the posts where people have explained the mechanics of an aircraft crash.

 

[EvilBiker]

OK, I stopped reading around page 13 and started glossing over until the end, mainly to find nomination material.

However, there is one question I'd like to pose. (I considered saying "answered" instead of "to pose", but realised I have as much chance of getting something relevant as yankee451 has of achieving, well, anything vaguely significant generally):

Why would somebody want to create an arbitrary hole in the middle of nowhere with a couple of missiles? Seriously?

It's like holding a fireworks display in the middle of Antarctica in the middle of a blizzard.