How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[Jack by the hedge]

It's a question that has come up several times in various forms.

Even if it were possible to make a plane-shaped hole with missiles; a) why would you want to make a plane-shaped hole and b) why would you want to do it with missiles?

 

[tsig]

OK, I stopped reading around page 13 and started glossing over until the end, mainly to find nomination material.

However, there is one question I'd like to pose. (I considered saying "answered" instead of "to pose", but realised I have as much chance of getting something relevant as yankee451 has of achieving, well, anything vaguely significant generally):

Why would somebody want to create an arbitrary hole in the middle of nowhere with a couple of missiles? Seriously?

It's like holding a fireworks display in the middle of Antarctica in the middle of a blizzard.

Crash 'em and they will come.

 

[yankee451]

Yankee,

Still waiting to know why crash physics allows an entire fuselage to burrow under soil but not wings.

So am I.

 

[yankee451]

OK, I stopped reading around page 13 and started glossing over until the end, mainly to find nomination material.

However, there is one question I'd like to pose. (I considered saying "answered" instead of "to pose", but realised I have as much chance of getting something relevant as yankee451 has of achieving, well, anything vaguely significant generally):

Why would somebody want to create an arbitrary hole in the middle of nowhere with a couple of missiles? Seriously?

It's like holding a fireworks display in the middle of Antarctica in the middle of a blizzard.

I used to sell fireworks in Alaska for the July 4th celebration, even though it didn't get dark until August.

Can any of you answer why they would use missiles instead of a real jet?

Perhaps becuase jets can't do that, or perhaps because there would be easily identifiable parts strewn about, or perhaps that there would need to be real passengers...etc, etc.

 

[yankee451]

Stop interviewing your keyboard and actually read the posts where people have explained the mechanics of an aircraft crash.

Why would I rely on someone else to explain it to me?

 

[yankee451]

It's a question that has come up several times in various forms.

Even if it were possible to make a plane-shaped hole with missiles; a) why would you want to make a plane-shaped hole and b) why would you want to do it with missiles?

Why missiles? Oh, I don't know...maybe because they can where a plane can't.

 

[beachnut]

What happens when Education is avoided

Speaking of evidence - does this ground look soft to you? If it was so soft it could swallow a plane, why use a backhoe? Weren't they afraid of the backhoe sinking? Or is the backhoe needed because the soil is so rocky?

Did they dust the engine off after the backhoe unearthed it?

If the backhoe bucket had just unearthed this engine, why does it look like the engine was dropped in an existing hole? Did they sweep the thing off for a photo-op or what?

Never did say why the equiptment would sink, when it has no KE in that direction; Flt 93 had 1300 pounds on TNT in KE into the ground.

Times like these
you need physics
Times like these
Should have respected education

You can't explain your fantasy with physics? Why not?

Because it is fantasy.

 

[yankee451]

Can you show me one air crash that looks exactly like all, or any of the other air crashes?

Can you show me any other crater left by a plane crash that looks like Shansville?

Wedge-shaped crater? No.

Absense of debris visible from the air? No.

 

[SUSpilot]

I used to sell fireworks in Alaska for the July 4th celebration, even though it didn't get dark until August.

Can any of you answer why they would use missiles instead of a real jet?

Perhaps becuase jets can't do that, or perhaps because there would be easily identifiable parts strewn about, or perhaps that there would need to be real passengers...etc, etc.

Yes they can, yes there were, they were real...etc., etc.

 

[SUSpilot]

Why would I rely on someone else to explain it to me?

Because you clearly lack expertise.

 

[yankee451]

Because you clearly lack expertise.

Yes, I know. You keep saying that. Pity you can't use evidence to support anything you say.

 

[yankee451]

Yes they can, yes there were, they were real...etc., etc.

They were REAL because I want to believe they were REAL. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

[brazenlilraisin]

Pity you can't use evidence to support anything you say.

That you handwave all the supporting evidence does not mean there is no evidence (or that he can't use it).

 

[yankee451]

Page 27 and still waiting for the conclusive disproof.

Hold your breath. It'll be here before you know it.

 

[yankee451]

That you handwave all the supporting evidence does not mean there is no evidence (or that he can't use it).

And yet the topic is "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made.

Now's your chance to prove how a jet is a better answer than cruise missles in crossfire. Can you draw me a picture??

 

[JohnG]

So they decided to make it look like a plane crash by not making it look like a plane crash? The diabolical masterminds!

Did yankee451 ever address the point that on average, jet crashes caused by the pilot(s) deliberately crashing the jet, will tend to appear different from the much more common situation of jet crashes where the pilot(s) were doing everything in their power to prevent the crash?

How many passenger jet crashes in aviation history were due to the pilots deliberately causing the crash, anyway? I can think of only one, offhand, prior to 9/11.

I'd ask him directly but he has me on ignore, apparently.

 

[yankee451]

Again, there appears to be a small problem with synonyms. "Evidence" is not the same as "looks". The evidence at the site is consistent with a plane crash.

You're the one claiming it isn't, hence the deja-vu equivalence.

Do keep going though. I breathlessly await the beginning of your evidence.

I can't wait. I'm glad to hear we share the same anticipation.

 

[Mudcat]

Can you show me any other crater left by a plane crash that looks like Shansville?

Asked and answered already. There are several air crashes with results similar to Flight 93, but none exactly the same.

Why is this suspicious to you?

 

[Slowvehicle]

They were REAL because I want to believe they were REAL. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

FDR...in the crater.

RADAR track to the crater.

DNA from the actual passengers actually on the flight in and around the crater.

Pieces of the 757, Flight 93, in and around the crater.

Missile debris not found in or around the crater, or anywhere in the extended scene...oh, yeah--the missiles were not available in 2001...

I tell you, it was a Cylon Mk II-B Raider, it was!

 

[Dog Town]

Can you draw me a picture??

I see your problem!

Definitely...doing IT wrong!