How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

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yankee451 said:
Anyone who's ever shot a gun into the ground just to see what it would do knows it was missiles.

Any red-blooded Anerican boy with a bottle rocket knows missiles dunnit.

Even barnyard animals can tell it was missiles.

Why can't the PhDs?
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Well, it's only an educated guess but i'd say......education?
 
Making fun of Physics - Making up Fantasy

Why do you hate physics enough to make up lies and fantasy about 911?
yankee451 said:
Agreed - I just had an interview with Jim Fetzer where I said 9/11 has become a psychological struggle, so I'm with you. I'm of the mind that higher education is simply higher indoctrination. There's a reason a doctorate sounds so close to indoctrinate.
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You avoided the higher indoctrination, skipped physics and math. That explains the fantasy.


yankee451 said:
What does the photographic evidence of the explosion plume indicate? Explosives, but explosives only can account for the crater; something else had to make the gashes.
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A jet fuel fireball, exactly the amount of fuel on board 93. You deny the murdered passengers; what do you kids think of your fantasy?

Wings made the gashes. But that is the simple explanation since 93 crashed there, where the passengers were killed.

yankee451 said:
What does the damage evidence indicate? Projectiles at less than 10 degree trajectories.
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A projectile with the exact wingspan you verified, 124 feet 10 inches. An impact anyone rational person, anyone with common sense can see was done by a 757 at 41.1 degrees negative pitch, at 142 degrees of roll, at 487.5 knots. Should have checked the FDR, a FOIA. Do you do FOIA?

yankee451 said:
What does at least one eyewitness report? A terrain-hugging small white plane, no wider than her van, made of white, molded fiberglass.
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A woman who saw a jet underneath wires? lol, and you use someone who has delusions. Like you someone who can't see right. You can't see debris all over the crash area ejected on the same course 93 impacted.

Lucky the NTSB and FAA tracked 93 to the spot.
Do you do RADAR?
 
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yankee451 said:
That is a pretty darned cool-tool, isn't it? Just goes to show you these little forays into the "real" world don't always come up empty handed. Once again I am in your debt.

I'd have to say that's not a hair I'm willing to split. Not that I don't trust you, but I checked by measuring the house, which comes to about 83 feet, so yes, compared to the house, that looks pretty close to 124 feet.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/83-feet.png[/qimg]

Thanks for both the photo and the tool. I have conceded the length of the gash does indeed roughly fit the wingspan of a 757, so what happens now?
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Nothing. That is the status quo in Trutherland.
 
Dear '451,

I need to replace my garden fence and would like to dig a trench 30 ft long and a foot deep into flinty clay soil for the footings. One end is obstructed by buildings but the other is open fields.

What type of missile would you recommend?

Although it will plainly be a full day's work to erect the fence and finish off the job, I just have a feeling that for some reason it's really important that the initial trench should be formed in an instant using a missile, though I can't really explain why.
 
yankee451 said:
The official explanation is the cockpit scorched the trees as it blew out like shrapnel.

I don't see any cockpit.
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This may be the only thing you got right. What the first people to arrive on the scene was more likely from the rear of the fuselage.

The rest is, of course, balderdash.
 
yankee451 said:
Anyone who's ever shot a gun into the ground just to see what it would do knows it was missiles.
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I've done that, too, and it always piles up dirt on the down-range side, like what happened at Shanksville, whereas a bottle rocket with any kind of payload scatters stuff back up-range and to the sides as well.
 
And as for that moronic assertion in the video that the smoke cloud in "End of Serenity" looked like an ordnance blast, we must all respond as we did to the drooling morons Killtown and Rumpl4skin when they first suggested it.

:dl:

It looked like the plume of smoke from an aircraft crash.

 
yankee451 said:
That is a pretty darned cool-tool, isn't it? Just goes to show you these little forays into the "real" world don't always come up empty handed. Once again I am in your debt.

I'd have to say that's not a hair I'm willing to split. Not that I don't trust you, but I checked by measuring the house, which comes to about 83 feet, so yes, compared to the house, that looks pretty close to 124 feet.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/83-feet.png[/qimg]

Thanks for both the photo and the tool. I have conceded the length of the gash does indeed roughly fit the wingspan of a 757, so what happens now?
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You go away.
 
Ok, lets say your missile theory is correct. Two missiles converging make the wing marks and crater with your third one "missing" and setting the trees on fire. What, then, made the tail gouge perpendicular to the other gouges and the two engine marks under the wing gouges?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
You have to explain where they went.

Again, assuming you are 100% correct about the impact. I'm taking your story at absolute face value and assuming it is correct. Got that? No need to debate what hit, I'm assuming it was a missile.

So, what about the passengers and crew of the plane that didn't crash in the field? Where did they go? Did they even exist? Did they board flight UA93? If they did, where did the plane go?
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Come on Yankee, if you're correct about the missiles (and remember, I'm assuming you are) you must have an answer for that! So what is it?
 
yankee451 said:
That is a pretty darned cool-tool, isn't it? Just goes to show you these little forays into the "real" world don't always come up empty handed. Once again I am in your debt.

I'd have to say that's not a hair I'm willing to split. Not that I don't trust you, but I checked by measuring the house, which comes to about 83 feet, so yes, compared to the house, that looks pretty close to 124 feet.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/83-feet.png[/qimg]

Thanks for both the photo and the tool. I have conceded the length of the gash does indeed roughly fit the wingspan of a 757, so what happens now?
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So now you deal honestly with all of the empirical, objective evidence you have been ignoring, hand-waving away, or lying about...
 
yankee451 said:
Anyone who's ever shot a gun into the ground just to see what it would do knows it was missiles.

Any red-blooded Anerican boy with a bottle rocket knows missiles dunnit.

Even barnyard animals can tell it was missiles.

Why can't the PhDs?
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...all that annoying empirical, objective, practical evidence that you have to ignore, hand-wave away, or lie about.

Well, that and reality.
 
Slowvehicle said:
...all that annoying empirical, objective, practical evidence that you have to ignore, hand-wave away, or lie about.

Well, that and reality.
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Just goes to show there's at least one on this board who's able to follow the evidence where ever it leads.

None the less, all it shows is it's about the same length as the wingspan. It is also about the same size as two missiles striking in crossfire. So what other evidence indicates the crater was caused by a jet? How about other empircal examples?

Do any other jet crashes make "wing-shaped" craters? Not that I've seen. Caspian 7908 made a bigger and deeper crater but they didn't need to dig underground to find the jet - it was all around them.

PSA 1771 barely made a dent in the ground but was also spread about the crash site for a great distance, and it was going mach 1.2 and hit at a steeper angle than 93, but they didn't have to dig under the ground to find it.

So what other facts about the crater indicate a jet crash caused it, because compared to other jet crash sites, Shanksville looks nothing like one.
 
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