How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[JimBenArm]

Could you use Kate Moss for the model? She's been out of work for a while now.

 

[phunk]

Who said anything about at the same time? The video demonstration of the missiles was just that - a demonstration of the concept. I have collected circumstantial, photographic and eye witness support for the hypothesis, now all I need is the math and the model.

Reread my post, the last paragraph explained in simple terms why you wouldn't get symmetrical results if the impacts weren't simultaneous.

 

[dafydd]

I would advise not sniffing the glue while building the model.

 

[yankee451]

Reread my post, the last paragraph explained in simple terms why you wouldn't get symmetrical results if the impacts weren't simultaneous.

Are you talking about meteorites on the moon or missiles on earth?

 

[yankee451]

I would advise not sniffing the glue while building the model.

When would you advise it, when gnawing on a chew toy?

 

[LSSBB]

Who said anything about at the same time? The video demonstration of the missiles was just that - a demonstration of the concept. I have collected circumstantial, photographic and eye witness support for the hypothesis, now all I need is the math and the model.

You do not have circumstantial, photographic and eyewitness support for your theory.

 

[NoahFence]

I see the flaw there, that engine would take that flatbed for a ride.

In twooferville, anything's possible.

Just chock the tires.

 

[LSSBB]

and debris and body parts visible all around the crash site, unlike Shanksville, the crater of which can not be better explaned by two cruise missiles striking at ten degree trajectories in opposite directions.

There, fixed it for you. You're welcome.

 

[NoahFence]

Are you talking about meteorites on the moon or missiles on earth?

Everything and anything that could create a crater here, there and everywhere.

 

[NoahFence]

This twoofer needs to go to bed. Either that or we have multiple people logging in with the same ID.

We need to stop replying to him. Dusty is an absolute Rhodes scholar by comparison.

 

[phunk]

Are you talking about meteorites on the moon or missiles on earth?

Both.

 

[Mudcat]

Just chock the tires.

I wonder if that would be enough? Wouldn't you need to chain down the flatbed as well?

Are you talking about meteorites on the moon or missiles on earth?

Do we really need to go further into technical discussions to show you why you're wrong? From a practical standpoint which do you think is more likely?

Fly actual aircraft into ground, or launch trio of missiles into ground from an unlikely angle, plant aircraft components, fake radar, fake phone calls, fake witnesses, control the investigation and silence any possibility of truth from being leaked?

Personally, I think flying the actual aircraft into the ground is more likely to be true just from a practical stand point.

 

[FrederickEason]

heh, oh I realize it, but it'll be miles ahead of anyone proving a lie any time soon.

I'm already having fun. I'm extatic.

You don't "prove" anything by saying it could have been caused by missiles. You need to show evidence beyond "missiles could cause a similar crater to the one found in Shanksville". You have no evidence missiles were actually used. All your pictures amount to is "this crater looks a lot like that crater, and this crater wasn't caused by a plane, so something other than a plane could have caused the Shanksville crater". Which it could have, but you haven't proven it.

Meanwhile, we show you pictures of airplane debris, records of radar showing a plane enter the area, DNA tests that identify the passengers of the plane, audio tapes of the events that occurred on the plane, eyewitness reports of the plane entering the Shanksville area, firefighters identifying the airplane crash, and all you have to say in response is "that's all faked by the government because the government is just that devious".

You're discounting the evidence of a plane crash by dismissing it as government propaganda, while offering no empirical evidence of your own.

You are miles away from proving anything other than a plane caused the Shanksville crater. You're so full of yourself that you think you've identified the type of missile used when you don't even have any missile debris that could be used to identify it. You've gone from Pyrex balls at hypersonic speeds causing craters in sand to JASSM missiles at subsonic speeds causing craters in earth, without anything in-between. You're jumping to conclusions without proper evidence to justify your conclusions.

Even if it turned out missiles did cause the crater, your argument would still be invalid. You're never going to prove missiles did it by saying "the crater looks like a missile crater". You need actual missile parts. You need records of the missiles being taken out of inventory. You need records of the planes used to fire the missiles. You need something substantial, instead of circumstantial.

And you need to stop dismissing evidence of Flight 93 causing the crater as "lies" when you have no proof that they are lies.

 

[yankee451]

Both.

Okay, well I'll just talk about the missiles.

One missile would be sent in as an aerostable slug which is one of the configurations of the warhead, it would lay down the gash and embed the warhead undetonated into the ground. No explosion to attract undue attention, and then the second missile can be targeted on that gash. They are able to be reprogrammed in flight, and are extremely accurate - the second one comes in and detonates, creating the wing gash and the center crater.

 

[beachnut]

Photo debunks claim... lol

Okay, well I'll just talk about the missiles.

One missile would be sent in as an aerostable slug which is one of the configurations of the warhead, it would lay down the gash and embed the warhead undetonated into the ground. No explosion to attract undue attention, and then the second missile can be targeted on that gash. The are able to be reprogrammed in flight, and are extremely accurate - the second one comes in and detonates, creating the center wing gash and the center crater.

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/detonated_undetonated.png

It get dumber, and dumber. You have a photo which explains they found the black box, FDR, in the crash site. You debunked your fantasy as you mess up your fantasy.

Your missiles are too shallow, they will bounce, and they are coming in the wrong direction. Did you read you own Pyrex hyper sonic ball paper?

Why did you pick a fantasy this dumb?

What is the angle of the impact bouncing JASSM, not in operation until 2009?
What was the speed?
Did you know your Pyrex craters were done at 3800 mph? Math?

 

[yankee451]

You don't "prove" anything by saying it could have been caused by missiles. You need to show evidence beyond "missiles could cause a similar crater to the one found in Shanksville". You have no evidence missiles were actually used. All your pictures amount to is "this crater looks a lot like that crater, and this crater wasn't caused by a plane, so something other than a plane could have caused the Shanksville crater". Which it could have, but you haven't proven it.

Meanwhile, we show you pictures of airplane debris, records of radar showing a plane enter the area, DNA tests that identify the passengers of the plane, audio tapes of the events that occurred on the plane, eyewitness reports of the plane entering the Shanksville area, firefighters identifying the airplane crash, and all you have to say in response is "that's all faked by the government because the government is just that devious".

You're discounting the evidence of a plane crash by dismissing it as government propaganda, while offering no empirical evidence of your own.

You are miles away from proving anything other than a plane caused the Shanksville crater. You're so full of yourself that you think you've identified the type of missile used when you don't even have any missile debris that could be used to identify it. You've gone from Pyrex balls at hypersonic speeds causing craters in sand to JASSM missiles at subsonic speeds causing craters in earth, without anything in-between. You're jumping to conclusions without proper evidence to justify your conclusions.

Even if it turned out missiles did cause the crater, your argument would still be invalid. You're never going to prove missiles did it by saying "the crater looks like a missile crater". You need actual missile parts. You need records of the missiles being taken out of inventory. You need records of the planes used to fire the missiles. You need something substantial, instead of circumstantial.

And you need to stop dismissing evidence of Flight 93 causing the crater as "lies" when you have no proof that they are lies.

Even if I only proved it "could" have been caused by missiles, no one has proved it could have been caused by a plane.

 

[beachnut]

Pyrex craters, missiles, form a unique fantasy, ignoring reality

Even if I only proved it "could" have been caused by missiles, no one has proved it could have been caused by a plane.

DNA proves you wrong before you have to fail with the physics, during your math presentation. You have no clue your Pyrex balls were going 3800 mph.
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
RADAR
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
Fantasy
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/
http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/

What happened to the Passengers on Flight 93?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Why do you make up fantasy and ignore the evidence?


How did you google up the Pyrex craters? This sets you apart from the other no plane crazy claim people.
Pyrex craters? lol
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/...GH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf
When did you realize your Pyrex balls were going 3800 mph?

 

[dafydd]

http://tinyurl.com/9wlnkoa

 

[FrederickEason]

Even if I only proved it "could" have been caused by missiles, no one has proved it could have been caused by a plane.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Ua93_mayday1.mp3
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Ua93_mayday2.mp3
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:UA93_ATC.mp3
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Ziad_Jarrah_Bomb_on_Board.mp3
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:CeeCee_Lyles_Message.mp3
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:ATC_Report_UA93.pdf
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Flight_Path_Study_UA93.pdf

Explain why this isn't evidence of a plane.

 

[LSSBB]

Even if I only proved it "could" have been caused by missiles, no one has proved it could have been caused by a plane.

That is a lie. There were plane and people parts and a flight data recorder in a giant hole in the ground, radar of the flight path and phone calls traced to the plane. Ok, I've had enough. If you are unable to acknowledge reality I don't think it's worth debating you.