How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

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Math? I thought the proof was in the pudding. Mmmm. Chocolate pudding...
 
yankee451 said:
Ignorance - I never mentioned the direction other than to say, opposite directions.

The direction may matter if I was trying to prove a meteorite caused the crater at Shanksville, but we're not on the moon and missiles can detonate after impact. The images indacte similar craters whether or not the crater is created before or after impact, it was the trajectories as well as the shape of the crater that piqued my interest.

Ignorance is bliss but regardless of the madness you guys like to see in my methods, it got me to the missile hypothesis, to which the final proof will be the math.
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How does the missile detonate if it's filled with people and airplane parts?

Thanks for the insight on what ignorance feels like. I'll take your word for it.
 
yankee451 said:
Ignorance - I never mentioned the direction other than to say, opposite directions.

The direction may matter if I was trying to prove a meteorite caused the crater at Shanksville, but we're not on the moon and missiles can detonate after impact, it was the trajectories as well as the shape of the crater that piqued my interest and allowed me to envison missiles in crossfire.

Ignorance is bliss but regardless of the madness you guys like to see in my methods, it got me to the missile hypothesis, to which the final proof will be the math.
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...as you blissfully ignore the significance of the directional information about the impacts you, yourself, provided...
 
yankee451 said:
Ignorance - I never mentioned the direction other than to say, opposite directions.

The direction may matter if I was trying to prove a meteorite caused the crater at Shanksville, but we're not on the moon and missiles can detonate after impact, it was the trajectories as well as the shape of the crater that piqued my interest and allowed me to envison missiles in crossfire.

Ignorance is bliss but regardless of the madness you guys like to see in my methods, it got me to the missile hypothesis, to which the final proof will be the math.
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I don't think you understood what he was saying. The "wing" of the crater in the nasa simulation was formed by the "meterorite" bouncing out AFTER it formed the central crater. Do you suggest that the missile carved that perfect trench AFTER exploding?
 
yankee451 said:
What would you use to gauge the size of the crater, or do you just assume its about 127 feet long?
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I wouldn't use anything to try to gauge the size if there wasn't anything appropriate in the image. The road is no good if you don't know the width of the road.
 
phunk said:
I don't think you understood what he was saying. The "wing" of the crater in the nasa simulation was formed by the "meterorite" bouncing out AFTER it formed the central crater. Do you suggest that the missile carved that perfect trench AFTER exploding?
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at which point you now have missile debri outside the crater, which the search teams will find ... its bad enough when the implication is all the missle debri is inside the crater, but when you have evidence bouncing down the provervial dirt road ... carving tracks in the lawn
 
phunk said:
I don't think you understood what he was saying. The "wing" of the crater in the nasa simulation was formed by the "meterorite" bouncing out AFTER it formed the central crater. Do you suggest that the missile carved that perfect trench AFTER exploding?
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Fortunately I'm only using it to gauge trajectory.

But we're not on the moon, at least some of us anyway.
 
yankee451 said:
You assumed. And when you do that...
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No. You demonstrated that you have no idea what the direction of the impacts in the pictures you provided do to your "theory"...to say nothing of utterly failing to account for differences in projectile, differences in speed, differences of scale, and other small details (the debris, the FDR, the DNA, the RADAR track, the eyewitnesses...).

As I pointed out to you before, and you manifestly did not understand, "the maths" can't help you with the contrary evidence.

Where is the plane?
Where are the passengers?
...and so on...
 
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yankee451 said:
Fortunately I'm only using it to gauge trajectory.

But we're not on the moon, at least some of us anyway.
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...which is why you photoshopped two craters into a composite "image" to "prove" that missiles (that were not operational at the time) formed the crater-with-a-wrecked-jetliiner, FDR-and-all-in-it...craters made in a different surface by different projectiles at different speeds under different conditions...

"For trajectory purposes only"
 
phunk said:
I wouldn't use anything to try to gauge the size if there wasn't anything appropriate in the image. The road is no good if you don't know the width of the road.
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I think the minimum depends on the county and speed, but most lanes are around 10 feet wide. If that's a two lane road, figure 20 feet.

How long is the crater?
 
Slowvehicle said:
...which is why you photoshopped two craters into a composite "image" to "prove" that missiles (that were not operational at the time) formed the crater-with-a-wrecked-jetliiner, FDR-and-all-in-it...craters made in a different surface by different projectiles at different speeds under different conditions...

"For trajectory purposes only"
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No, the lunar craters caught my eye and made me realize that two projectiles striking at 10 degrees from horizontal from opposite directions could cause it.

Of course, this is all irrelevant, because how I got to the missile hypothesis doen't have anything to do with the evidence of the existing, fully operational JASSM missiles and how the gashes at shanksville fit their capabilities.
 
yankee451 said:
I think the minimum depends on the county and speed, but most lanes are around 10 feet wide. If that's a two lane road, figure 20 feet.

How long is the crater?
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I seen country roads much narrower than that.

But you know, I think you're avoiding an important question that I believe you have yet to answer:

Last year a group of people purchased a decommissioned Boeing 727, rigged it for remote control, and crashed it in a desert on national television. They did all of this legally. Why couldn't the government do something similar for the 767 and crash it in Shanksville, let the chips fall where they may, and blame it on terrorists anyway?

Why does this crazy sounding missile 'theory' make more sense to you than the more reasonable theory that an aircraft did it?
 
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yankee451 said:
I think the minimum depends on the county and speed, but most lanes are around 10 feet wide. If that's a two lane road, figure 20 feet.

How long is the crater?
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No, the question was how wide was the road. Surely you would have discovered that during your extensive research.
 
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