How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[Justin39640]

Ta da! There is life out there after all. So someone screwed up didn't they? Maybe they subconsiously sabotaged it by placing the "crash site" too close to the woods, who knows, but it was so difficult it appears one missile hit a tree and set fire to the woods

... or a giant fireball from the fuel explosion from a passenger jet crashing.

 

[yankee451]

... or a giant fireball from the fuel explosion from a passenger jet crashing.

They said it was the cockpit. Do pay attention.

 

[Travis]

evidence | Flight 93 made crater | JASSM AGM158 made crater crater description |Entirely consistent with a 757 impacting at 70 degrees|Not consistent with any known impact events or detonations
eyewitnesses |A few that saw the plane go down|One lady that saw a white plane
radar |Comprehensive radar data from ATC that matches onboard telemetry|uh, radar what?
debris |Loads of debris of a crashed 757|I'll get back to you on this
bodies |Human remains recovered and DNA identified|Oh come on this isn't fair!
ADR |Data recorder provides corroborating evidence to radar data|...um...

 

[Furi]

I seemed to have completely missed the reason for the 3rd missile?.

What angle would that have been coming in from, and at which point in its terminal guidance phase did they self destruct it in such an accurate way, after almost instantaneous assessment of the strikes to realise it was not necessary, and to do it by setting fire to some trees, and not detonating and creating another crater, or leaving a shedload of undetonated HX all over the place?

 

[cjnewson88]

Answer The Questions.

1. Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

2. Do you have any credentials in any of the areas stated?

Only because you put it in really big text.

1. No
2. No.

Is that a bad thing?

Yes.

The first shows that you have not bothered to consult anyone for a first hand insight. Which means you do not care to get information from people who were there and know better than you or we ever will, and shows your lack of will to be open to correction by people who know better.

The second shows you are totally and utter unqualified to be pushing this theory. Not only does this mean you lack credibility, but that you should take advise/corrections from people who have studied in these areas and who do know what they are talking about.

You are being anti science. If you lack the relevant qualifications, you should listen to those who do. As it happens, you are ignoring them, and continuing with your severely limited understanding of the topic.

So is this a bad thing?

Yes.

 

[Mudcat]

I seemed to have completely missed the reason for the 3rd missile?.

What angle would that have been coming in from, and at which point in its terminal guidance phase did they self destruct it in such an accurate way, after almost instantaneous assessment of the strikes to realise it was not necessary, and to do it by setting fire to some trees, and not detonating and creating another crater, or leaving a shedload of undetonated HX all over the place?

I'm wondering why there weren't traces of the same in the crater where the other two supposedly struck.

 

[Furi]

I'm wondering why there weren't traces of the same in the crater where the other two supposedly struck.

They probably couldn't detect it, what with all that jet fuel residue, Plane debris and organic remains.

 

[R.Mackey]

You blokes are going about this all wrong

The evidence is right in front of you, and you still deny it
Really, I shouldn't even need to point it out, but it goes for all of you.
Obviously the Randiites are being paid to deny the truth.
Likewise, our newcomer denies the conclusion to discredit Truthers.
Logically, there can be only one explanation!!

The crater was caused by meteors!
Ridiculous that so many say it was a plane.
Or that it was a bunch of cruise missiles.
Laughable!
Look, you yourself presented the proof that meteors make those patterns!

The only reason to deny this most logical and well
Reasoned observation, is because we are too afraid
Of what it could mean. For who could possibly
Lob meteors at us? Who indeed? You need
Look no further than our own government...

The perpetrators even crow about their powers in the newspapers, calling it
Research! Which also distracts from their other power, namely the
Orbital beam weapons used to fnord
Level other structures on 9/11! The secret masters of the world are
Laughing at us! But we'll never give in!! Sic semper tyrannis!

 

[yankee451]

I never said you're as dumb as a box of rocks. Refusing to admit error or answer details in order to prove your theory has nothing to do with your intelligence.

What error have I refused to admit? That there were planes? I do admit error when I'm wrong, done so already once on this thread, but you'll have to earn it. What error are you referring to?

Oh good grief, not another one accusing me of ignoring questions. Can't any of you click back space and see all my answers to the other loudmouths who demanded attention and got their answers? The problem is not that I am not answering your questions, it's that you don't like the answers.

So what is it YOU think I'm ignoring now?

 

[yankee451]

The evidence is right in front of you, and you still deny it
Really, I shouldn't even need to point it out, but it goes for all of you.
Obviously the Randiites are being paid to deny the truth.
Likewise, our newcomer denies the conclusion to discredit Truthers.
Logically, there can be only one explanation!!

The crater was caused by meteors!
Ridiculous that so many say it was a plane.
Or that it was a bunch of cruise missiles.
Laughable!
Look, you yourself presented the proof that meteors make those patterns!

The only reason to deny this most logical and well
Reasoned observation, is because we are too afraid
Of what it could mean. For who could possibly
Lob meteors at us? Who indeed? You need
Look no further than our own government...

The perpetrators even crow about their powers in the newspapers, calling it
Research! Which also distracts from their other power, namely the
Orbital beam weapons used to fnord
Level other structures on 9/11! The secret masters of the world are
Laughing at us! But we'll never give in!! Sic semper tyrannus!

Oh good. An expert.

 

[SUSpilot]

Yankee - any thoughts abut this one?

Yankee, you do realize you're saying a missile (or missiles) made the crater because a missile (or missiles) made the crater, don't you. Seriously, strip out all of the rhetoric and that's the essence of your argument.

Contrast that with the weight of the evidence regarding parts, aircraft records, radar tracks, body parts, missing family members, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and -

How do you account for the people that were on the plane if they weren't actually there? Were real people eliminated? Were fictitious legends, with complete life stories and records, invented? Are the[y] sequestered somewhere off-shore? Don't hand-wave this one; when someone suddenly departs this life, there's a messy hole in everyone else's life.

 

[StankApe]

Don't hand-wave this one; when someone suddenly departs this life, there's a messy hole in everyone else's life.

not to mention insurance investigators to be placated. Those guys don't just go along with ANY program.

 

[Travis]

Is this thread perhaps an elaborate bit of performance art about tautologies?


The crater was made by a missile because it was made by a missile!

 

[Kid Eager]

What error have I refused to admit? That there were planes? I do admit error when I'm wrong, done so already once on this thread, but you'll have to earn it. What error are you referring to?

Oh good grief, not another one accusing me of ignoring questions. Can't any of you click back space and see all my answers to the other loudmouths who demanded attention and got their answers? The problem is not that I am not answering your questions, it's that you don't like the answers.

So what is it YOU think I'm ignoring now?

 

[ElMondoHummus]

The evidence is right in front of you, and you still deny it
Really, I shouldn't even need to point it out, but it goes for all of you.
Obviously the Randiites are being paid to deny the truth.
Likewise, our newcomer denies the conclusion to discredit Truthers.
Logically, there can be only one explanation!!

The crater was caused by meteors!
Ridiculous that so many say it was a plane.
Or that it was a bunch of cruise missiles.
Laughable!
Look, you yourself presented the proof that meteors make those patterns!

The only reason to deny this most logical and well
Reasoned observation, is because we are too afraid
Of what it could mean. For who could possibly
Lob meteors at us? Who indeed? You need
Look no further than our own government...

The perpetrators even crow about their powers in the newspapers, calling it
Research! Which also distracts from their other power, namely the
Orbital beam weapons used to fnord
Level other structures on 9/11! The secret masters of the world are
Laughing at us! But we'll never give in!! Sic semper tyrannis!

All I was able to take from this was: "Long live King of the Dinosaurs"?

 

[beachnut]

The evidence is right in front of you, and you still deny it
Really, I shouldn't even need to point it out, but it goes for all of you.
Obviously the Randiites are being paid to deny the truth.
Likewise, our newcomer denies the conclusion to discredit Truthers.
Logically, there can be only one explanation!!

The crater was caused by meteors!
...

I like the, "big" bag.
What you got in the bag?
A big rock.
Where you going?
To orbit the moon.


This theory beats the missile not made yet theory.

 

[yankee451]

Yankee, you do realize you're saying a missile (or missiles) made the crater because a missile (or missiles) made the crater, don't you. Seriously, strip out all of the rhetoric and that's the essence of your argument.

Is that what you got out of the video?

It's based on the curious shape of the crater which can easily be explained by two projectiles striking in opposite directions at trajectories of less than 10 degrees. Because photographs of oblique missile impact craters (or any missile impact craters) are nearly impossible to find, fortunately thanks to Nasa, we can see what a crater looks like when it's caused by a projectile striking at such an oblique trajectory.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1978LPSC....9.3843G/0003849.000.html

Since you missed it in the video and earlier in the thread, I'll post it again. If the above photos are images of craters caused by projectiles at less than 10 degrees from horizontal, then this is what two might look like striking at opposite directions:

Compared with Shanksville:

Contrast that with the weight of the evidence regarding parts, aircraft records, radar tracks, body parts, missing family members, etc., etc., etc.

All of which would need to be part of the backstory, or do you think they'd try to make us believe such a thing without such information? Have you followed up on the passengers, hijackers and pilots? I have, you should try it - test your own convictions for a change rather than taking things at face value.

Oh, and -

How do you account for the people that were on the plane if they weren't actually there? Were real people eliminated? Were fictitious legends, with complete life stories and records, invented? Are the sequestered somewhere off-shore? Don't hand-wave this one; when someone suddenly departs this life, there's a messy hole in everyone else's life.

Ever heard of false identities? Why is it so difficult to understand nothing you believe has been substantiated, so until it is why do you assume anything is true?

 

[beachnut]

Is that what you got out of the video?

... been substantiated, so until it is why do you assume anything is true?

A fake photo. You forgot to make the mark the tail make. You have to photoshop it one more time. This is one of the dumbest claims in a long time. You seem like a cheap version of Balsamo, or other failed 911 truth paranoid anti-government conspiracy theorists.

This is as bad as the Plymouth hubcap fantasy.

http://boingboing.net/2013/02/04/former-pilot-and-911-conspira.html#more-210840

911 truth and you, failed claims, anti-intellectual claptrap. Every time you post the stupid impact crater, your story gets dumber.

You forgot to take out the one that skipped. lol, you debunk yourself, and repeat it.

How did your meteorite/missile carry 50,000 pounds of jet fuel? Gee, debunked again. You lost this round, better luck next time. 11 years of failure and fantasy.


The meterite you posted was not at 10 degrees; you lied again? Why?

 

[Slowvehicle]

How does this work in Randi world anyway? No credentials means no credibility right? So let's say you're all correct - I'm as dumb as a box of rocks, but it doesn't make me wrong, and if you can't prove this box of rocks wrong, what does that say about you?

Seems to me that the fact that you're wrong is what makes you wrong. The box-of-rocks dumbness would be what would make you unable to see why it is clear that you are wrong.

Do you understand the difference?

 

[Kid Eager]

A fake photo. You forgot to make the mark the tail make. You have to photoshop it one more time. This is one of the dumbest claims in a long time. You seem like a cheap version of Balsamo, or other failed 911 truth paranoid anti-government conspiracy theorists.

This is as bad as the Plymouth hubcap fantasy.

http://boingboing.net/2013/02/04/former-pilot-and-911-conspira.html#more-210840

911 truth and you, failed claims, anti-intellectual claptrap. Every time you post the stupid impact crater, your story gets dumber.

You forgot to take out the one that skipped. lol, you debunk yourself, and repeat it.

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flight93AirBusB52.jpg[/qimg]
How did your meteorite/missile carry 50,000 pounds of jet fuel? Gee, debunked again. You lost this round, better luck next time. 11 years of failure and fantasy.

You're not keeping up. Let me help you:

• the crater was made by missiles that didn't exist at the time
• the accuracy of the missiles that didn't exist at the time, but allegedly created the crater, was greater than the real missiles were capable of
• there is no evidence that missiles of the type that didn't exist at that time create craters of the type suggested
• the absence of any missile components at the crash site is a cover-up
• the presence of aircraft parts and personal effects consistent with the aircraft crashing there is a cover-up
• there has been not explanation of how, nor is there any evidence that the people who were on the plane somehow, somewhere, had new identities established. But that's okay, he's Just Asking Questions. The fact that there is no evidence only proves how likely it is
• The preponderance of evidence in favour of a particular outcome has no weight if that outcome is inconsistent with preconceptions. Conversely, speculation has the weight of evidence until proven otherwise AND it is agreed by the poster
• Tests conducted in the absence of accurate replication of the physics involved will prove those physics