How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[332nd]

And now for something completely different. A man with three buttocks.

You have 3 & still can't find just one with both hands? Sad.

Oh...

I'm as dumb as a box of rocks, but it doesn't make me wrong, and if you can't prove this box of rocks wrong, what does that say about you?

While it wasn't necessary to prove you wrong (The burden of proof is on you) you have been proven wrong. Not just by the evidence presented to you but by your own logic.

 

[fess]

However the crater IS consistent with two projectiles crashing in crossfire at trajectories of less than ten degrees, so until the class can move past explaining how the physical evidence fits their theories, I guess I win by default.

As I stated before, the terrain around the Shanksville crash site would have made a 10 degree trajectory an extremely difficult shot. What is even more interesting is; there is not one witness that saw these military jets flying around the area firing missiles. You know… the noise factor? Why didn’t they show up on radar?

Let me join the others in saying that the missiles you say were used weren’t in service yet.

 

[beachnut]

And now for something completely different. A man with three buttocks.

This is your evidence. It makes sense you pick nonsense to support your claims on 911. It is your destiny.

How does this work in Randi world anyway? No credentials means no credibility right? So let's say you're all correct - I'm as dumb as a box of rocks, but it doesn't make me wrong, and if you can't prove this box of rocks wrong, what does that say about you?

More evidence? lol

You are wrong because your fantasy is nuts. It does not matter you have a PhD in BS from Hard Knocks U.,. Your fantasy is what is dumber than a box of rocks; .

Your claims, wrong on face value. You picked a missile not in the inventory. You don't understand military exercises, or the FAA.
RADAR, is too hard, DNA, you can't comprehend, more science, and FDR, you can't do that either. Makes your fantasy claims the only thing you can do.



The free-flow of evidence is, zero.

The question was condescending; evidently there ARE stupid questions. No.

After seeing your claims on 911, nothing compares in stupidity to the failed nonsense you have. It would be hard for anyone to come up with dumber question than your claims on 911; You Are the Winner of the dumb claims award for 2013. You most likely can beat the dumb claims by getting more dumb; and repeat your winning ways for many years to come. 9112 truth and you avoid being skeptical, willfully avoid critical thinking to come up with shallow, dumbed down claims. The School of Hard Knocks, star graduate. No one can brainwash you. Your claims are beyond brainwashing.

You have no clue you are at a skeptic forum, and it shows. Someone had to give you the URL for you to find this place, and here you are in the 911 sub-forum where we search out crazy claims on 911; and you show up, bring and believing your the dumbest, the craziest claims made on 911, as if you were right. You call everyone but you brainwashed, and we can't say what your problem is, because we can't say it without being carded. You can't be banned here, we look for crazy claims on 911, and here you are making them up on the fly. And your crazy claims can't be debunked, they come self-debunked by your own sources.

You say a missile did it, produce the papers showing zero missiles in inventory before 2002. You make up crazy claims, and present your own debunking, and ignore all evidence for the past 11 years.

He has stated several times that he is self educated, aka the School Of Hard Knocks. Which phonetically SOHK is similar to SOCK. I think he's giving out hints as to his true status and purpose for being here.

You forgot you were brainwasned...

He is unique. He is usually banned from 911 truth forums, where dirt dumb stupid crazy 911 claims are standard beliefs. He is a nuisance of nonsense and idiotic BS.

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=359&Itemid=60

http://911crashtest.org/2012/10/27/feedback-from-the-truth-movement/

http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/

Reading his work could be used as torture for rational people, brainwasned Americans. I think I know how he avoided being brainwasned by the Evil Empire. Anyone else?

Hope he does not find http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/, he might form a singularity with Balsamo's 11.4 g special physics; we will all miss the next Star Trek...

 

[swright777]

How does this work in Randi world anyway? No credentials means no credibility right? So let's say you're all correct - I'm as dumb as a box of rocks, but it doesn't make me wrong, and if you can't prove this box of rocks wrong, what does that say about you?

It's the fact that you think you're smarter than the rest of the world because you're self educated that is my main issue. You don't even know how much you don't know and still have to learn, yet you try to insult people who are intelligent and educated.

FYI, I used to think the way that you do. Not about crazy conspiracy crap, but that I was smarter than everyone else just because I was fairly smart compared to others at school. I felt that way from about 16 to 17 years old. Then I went to school to become an electrician and realized how much I didn't know that I thought I did (an electrician in the US Navy, but don't worry, I was never brainwashed). When I went to college 8 years later I was completely humbled by my vast ignorance. But unlike some others that post here I made up for it. I know so much more now than I did back when I knew everything, and at 45 years old I know there is still more to learn than I have ever known.

Also, every one of your claims has been proven to be wrong and/or a lie every time you bring them up. Not by me of course. I leave that to those with more knowledge than me, and you definitely are not included in that group.

ETA: These are my views only. I've only been here at JREF for about a year and don't claim to know it all or speak for anyone else.

 

[cjnewson88]

Yankee, for the third time of avoiding my question;

As I have stated, there are some here, including myself, who have spoken to people first hand involved with UA93.

Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

There are some here, also including myself, who have studied air crash investigation, aerodynamics, aviation, physics. There are several pilots on this board (Including SUSpilot, beachnut, and others), as well as some who are fluent in RADAR analysis (BCR, Reheat, and others).

Do you have any credentials in any of these areas?

 

[StankApe]

Yankee, for the third time of avoiding my question;

As I have stated, there are some here, including myself, who have spoken to people first hand involved with UA93.

Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

There are some here, also including myself, who have studied air crash investigation, aerodynamics, aviation, physics. There are several pilots on this board (Including SUSpilot, beachnut, and others), as well as some who are fluent in RADAR analysis (BCR, Reheat, and others).

Do you have any credentials in any of these areas?

I don't have any credentials either! I just happen to be able to look at a conclusion and determine it's reliability based on the available data and/or other evidence.

Plane was in the air, plane was flying at high speed, plane is gone, big hole in the ground,plane and people parts strewn everywhere that match missing plane and people.

it's not rocket surgery!! lol

 

[yankee451]

As I stated before, the terrain around the Shanksville crash site would have made a 10 degree trajectory an extremely difficult shot.

Ta da! There is life out there after all. So someone screwed up didn't they? Maybe they subconsiously sabotaged it by placing the "crash site" too close to the woods, who knows, but it was so difficult it appears one missile hit a tree and set fire to the woods.

What is even more interesting is; there is not one witness that saw these military jets flying around the area firing missiles. You know… the noise factor? Why didn’t they show up on radar?

Oh. I spoke too soon.

Why is the radar evidence reliable? If they are to fool pilots and other very smart people into believing planes did the impossible, don't you think radar records would be a prerequesite, or do you think every pilot, reporter, engineer, etc are involved?

Let me join the others in saying that the missiles you say were used weren’t in service yet.

They were in production, and being new and previously unseen by civilians or most military folk, and as you say not in service yet they were more likely to be mistaken as a small white plane than a missile, eh? Plausible deniability - perfect for a covert mission such as this.

 

[Mudcat]

Yes, we already knew that you don't have the first clue about Radar. Thanks for illustrating that so aptly for us.

 

[StankApe]

" look a duck!"


" that's a cat"

"but it has feathers, and an orange bill, and webbed feet and it's begging for bread, it's a duck!"

"where did you get this description of a duck from?"

"from a wildlife book and from nature shows, and biology class"

"ummhmm, and the govt controls all that see, that's a cat"


"you're daft, cats have fur and claws and pointy teeth, and tails"

"LALALALALALALALA!!!!!!!!!!!!! CATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT"

 

[yankee451]

Yankee, for the third time of avoiding my question;

As I have stated, there are some here, including myself, who have spoken to people first hand involved with UA93.

Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

There are some here, also including myself, who have studied air crash investigation, aerodynamics, aviation, physics. There are several pilots on this board (Including SUSpilot, beachnut, and others), as well as some who are fluent in RADAR analysis (BCR, Reheat, and others).

Do you have any credentials in any of these areas?

Are you fluent in propaganda techniques? Do you think you'd recognize propaganda if you saw it? I don't assume I would, in fact I expect it to be compelling, else who would believe it, especially the smart people who are fluent in Radar analysis.

How do you verify the radar analysis is genuine and not generated as part of a war game or some other simulation? If the Joint Chiefs of staff did pull off an Operation Northwoods type stunt, don't you think Radar would be something they'd add to the backstory early on?

 

[StankApe]

we don't have to verify anything, we support the simple ,obvious answer that a plane crashed.

you are the one challenging this null hypothesis thus the burden of proof lies with you.

 

[cjnewson88]

Yankee, for the third time of avoiding my question;

As I have stated, there are some here, including myself, who have spoken to people first hand involved with UA93.

Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

There are some here, also including myself, who have studied air crash investigation, aerodynamics, aviation, physics. There are several pilots on this board (Including SUSpilot, beachnut, and others), as well as some who are fluent in RADAR analysis (BCR, Reheat, and others).

Do you have any credentials in any of these areas?

Are you fluent in propaganda techniques? Do you think you'd recognize propaganda if you saw it? I don't assume I would, in fact I expect it to be compelling, else who would believe it, especially the smart people who are fluent in Radar analysis.

How do you verify the radar analysis is genuine and not generated as part of a war game or some other simulation? If the Joint Chiefs of staff did pull off an Operation Northwoods type stunt, don't you think Radar would be something they'd add to the backstory early on?

Answer The Questions.

1. Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

2. Do you have any credentials in any of the areas stated?

 

[beachnut]

Are you fluent in propaganda techniques? Do you think you'd recognize propaganda if you saw it? I don't assume I would, in fact I expect it to be compelling, else who would believe it, especially the smart people who are fluent in Radar analysis.

How do you verify the radar analysis is genuine and not generated as part of a war game or some other simulation? If the Joint Chiefs of staff did pull off an Operation Northwoods type stunt, don't you think Radar would be something they'd add to the backstory early on?

How would they fake the RADAR data? lol, now the FAA is in on it. FAA are all liars. You are a fake.

Operation Northwoods, most likely made up by a person like you, and REJECTED by the JCS. Gee, crazy plan not done, and you use a crazy plan not done to support your idiotic crazy claim of a missile which was on in the inventory until after 911.

RADAR was not faked. Your claim is fake. But you know it, and if you don't, you are in a fantasy world of your own.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?act=idx
Bet they could use your help at this forum.

Answer The Questions.

1. Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

2. Do you have any credentials in any of the areas stated?

Open-loop fantasy does'nt do answers.

 

[Kid Eager]

Are you fluent in propaganda techniques? Do you think you'd recognize propaganda if you saw it? I don't assume I would, in fact I expect it to be compelling, else who would believe it, especially the smart people who are fluent in Radar analysis.

How do you verify the radar analysis is genuine and not generated as part of a war game or some other simulation? If the Joint Chiefs of staff did pull off an Operation Northwoods type stunt, don't you think Radar would be something they'd add to the backstory early on?

Yet another speculation, not supported by evidence. You really need to get beyond Just Asking Questions.

 

[yankee451]

we don't have to verify anything,

Understatement of the year, and it's only February.

 

[cjnewson88]

Understatement of the year, and it's only February.

Answers please.

Yankee, for the third time of avoiding my question;

As I have stated, there are some here, including myself, who have spoken to people first hand involved with UA93.

Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

There are some here, also including myself, who have studied air crash investigation, aerodynamics, aviation, physics. There are several pilots on this board (Including SUSpilot, beachnut, and others), as well as some who are fluent in RADAR analysis (BCR, Reheat, and others).

Do you have any credentials in any of these areas?

 

[StankApe]

Understatement of the year, and it's only February.

you are very very bad at this.

 

[yankee451]

Answer The Questions.

1. Who have you talked to from Shanksville about your theory?

2. Do you have any credentials in any of the areas stated?

Only because you put it in really big text.

1. No
2. No.

Is that a bad thing?

 

[Furi]

Not an expert, mostly an autodidact (Self taught schooling so not state schooled)

The JASSM AGM158 has a CEP of 2.8 m, meaning 50% of shots land within 2.8m of ideal target point, and ~43% land between 2.8 - 5.6 m of target point, the remainder further away

As you suppose a precision shot by 2 munitions, coming in at exactly 180° to each other, how could the error have guaranteed to match on both shots, as there is a 18% chance of a ETA: 11.2m Sum error on impact from both, and even if they landed at the correct angle in respect to each other probability of landing in perfect symmetry are probably as low as them landing 6r (31.8m) away from each other <0.5%.

Also wouldn't the angle of impact of the missiles have to differ to match the faked FDR data as it did not come in symmetrically.

wouldn't the shape of the primary crater differ than in your mirrored example, as the first munition would have already excavated the crater, the second would impact on the opposing side of the recently generated crater excavating in less symeterical shape as the trough (fake wing) impact of the first missile would modify this?

 

[beachnut]

We don't have to verify anything.

Understatement of the year, and it's only February.

You do.

And you can't do the math. Better team up with the 11.2 G math god at Pilots who can't fly... Balsamo can do math with 11.2 g tunnel vision accuracy, and then come up with 34gs of super physics without thinking.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?act=idx
Good luck. Balsamo will help you with your math.