How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Zep]

Qureshi: You are so young. You look too old in this avatar. Which software you use? And where are your moustache and whiskers.

I do believe I ask Qureshi that question, not you, sir. I would hope he can answer for himself...some time soon... And it's only an aside and not germane to this discussion anyway.

Perhaps you might care to concentrate on providing our homeopathy lessons instead?

Many thanks...

 

[Gaga]

actually, also mas'avatar seems to be going under a process similar to the portrait of Dorian Gray... or maybe it's the cousin of mas. Also known as Dr. Mas.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

And I fear more that they are as many people as they claim to be

Worse still, they think they are being frightfully clever and giving us poor sceptics quite a run around.

Pitiable!

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

(1)What is Na2So4?



You ask for serious discussion. I agree.

One question is floated above (2) why did you take this?

(3) is it applicable on each potency of homeopathy? like belladonna, opium, plumbum met, arg nit etc

Please follow up point to point.

For goodness sake! I go away for a few days and all you bunch of homeopathic nitwits manage to come up with is that you don't even recognise high school chemistry.

You, Qureshi, are a so-called "Dr" claiming to be trained in a biomedical subject and you don't recognise the chemical formula of sodium sulphate. I think it is time for you to leave this to the grown-ups with a legitimate education.

Your reading comprehension also seems poor since little MAS prompted the specific using of sodium sulphate as an example.

Never mind treating real people with real medical problems, you shouldn't be crossing the road without an adult's assistance!

Is this poor imitation of the Marx Brothers or the Three Stooges really the best you can come up with?

 

[Dr. MAS]

For goodness sake! I go away for a few days and all you bunch of homeopathic nitwits manage to come up with is that you don't even recognise high school chemistry.

Your reading comprehension also seems poor since little MAS prompted the specific using of sodium sulphate as an example.

BSM,

You are non-practical person who believes what is written in books and never confirms the equation practically. You are trying to teach lesson who is highly qualified in the subject. ()

I said, the equation does not apply on all dilutions but who cares? I know you don't have idea about homeopathic dilutions.

I say your equation is correct on paper but on homeopathic dilutions? Avogadros no theory does not apply on solutions like this.

Go and get admission in primary class school. You need to study few practical things.

If you prove the above equation you can win one million dollar.

 

[Donks]

I said, the equation does not apply on all dilutions but who cares?

We care. Just because you assert something, that doesn't make it true.
Do you agree that in a litre of 1 molar Na₂SO₄ solution there are 6.022 x 10²³ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10²³ sodium ions? If not, why not? Asserting that this "equation" does not apply to homeopathic dilutions is not a response. If you don't agree with these quantities, feel free to correct them, showing your math.

I know you don't have idea about homeopathic dilutions.

To quote Gabe Cash from the memorable movie Tango & Cash:
[Sylvester Stalone voice as imitated by Kurt Russell]You don't know sh!t![/Sylvester Stalone voice as imitated by Kurt Russell]

I say your equation is correct on paper but on homeopathic dilutions? Avogadros no theory does not apply on solutions like this.

Why not? Do you not agree that one mole of any substance contains Avogadro's number of molecules?

Go and get admission in primary class school. You need to study few practical things.

You might want to consider taking your own advice.

If you prove the above equation you can win one million dollar.

Is your prize up to $1 million dollars? Because Avogadro's number is an accepted and tested scientific principle, and not elligible for the paranormal challenge.

ETA: My guess is that you are about to vanish again for over a week, and will return and pretend no questions have been asked. Just like you just did.

 

[athon]

BSM,

You are non-practical person who believes what is written in books and never confirms the equation practically. You are trying to teach lesson who is highly qualified in the subject. ()

I said, the equation does not apply on all dilutions but who cares? I know you don't have idea about homeopathic dilutions.

I say your equation is correct on paper but on homeopathic dilutions? Avogadros no theory does not apply on solutions like this.

Go and get admission in primary class school. You need to study few practical things.

If you prove the above equation you can win one million dollar.

Hey, in one post, it is all starting to make sense.

So science isn't about working models, or making events predictable by quantifying data...nothing is consistent in nature. That's why homeopathy works!!

Dr. MAS, can I ask, how are the dilutions for homeopathic solutions deduced if not using either standard chemistry equations or applying Avogadro's number? I'm assuming that you use a special equation for working out the figures. How is this worked out?

You see, I am a science teacher, and in the UK curriculum Homeopathy is not yet a science subject. Maybe in the future, no? We unfortuately still have to rely on the old, useless equations that most scientists have used successfully for the past century. If had have known we could do chemistry without equations...well, I would not have wasted my time teaching it.

Athon

 

[Dr. MAS]

Is your prize up to $1 million dollars? Because Avogadro's number is an accepted and tested scientific principle, and not elligible for the paranormal challenge.

ETA: My guess is that you are about to vanish again for over a week, and will return and pretend no questions have been asked. Just like you just did.

Sorry it was one million ruppees.

Prove your simple high school chemistry application over homeopathic dilutions and win your prize.

Recently, I have appeared in FTJ. 2maro is my fifth paper. Yes, i am busy. There are total six theory paper and three practicals. Stay in touch! I will visit again.

 

[Zep]

Bravely he ran away, ran away, tra la...

 

[Dr. MAS]

We care. Just because you assert something, that doesn't make it true.
Do you agree that in a litre of 1 molar Na₂SO₄ solution there are 6.022 x 10²³ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10²³ sodium ions? If not, why not? Asserting that this "equation" does not apply to homeopathic dilutions is not a response. If you don't agree with these quantities, feel free to correct them, showing your math.

Dr. MAS: I will correct on your thesis. Type your thesis (exactly in the thesis form) and send it to me. I will the expeneditures of your postage.


Why not? Do you not agree that one mole of any substance contains Avogadro's number of molecules?

Dr. MAS: your discussion is based on "there is no molecules in above 18c. I said, you prove this statement on papers and send it to me endorse with two ph.d doctors in the filed of chemistry. I will pay the postal charges.

You might want to consider taking your own advice.

Is your prize up to $1 million dollars? Because Avogadro's number is an accepted and tested scientific principle, and not elligible for the paranormal challenge.

ETA: My guess is that you are about to vanish again for over a week, and will return and pretend no questions have been asked. Just like you just did.

 

[Donks]

Nevermind, cross posted.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Bravely he ran away, ran away, tra la...

i am among those who do not hide something or afraid of any person.

Search "Dr. MAS", you will always find my name on homeopathic discussion and other boards" I never bothered somebody can enter in my computer and hack me. But you are so worried and afraid people. I am still here and will never fly away.

 

[Zep]

Prove your simple high school chemistry application over homeopathic dilutions and win your prize.

Is this a new and different prize to the "Prove homeopathy is paranormal" one? Or just the same one with another basis for testing? If so, the deadline has already passed on that one, and so this is an empty promise (perhaps the Pakistani authorities would like to hear of huge but illegal prizes being offered that cannot be won fairly...).

Incidentally, your request has already been answered here multiple times, but it has become painfully obvious that you would not know a simple chemical equation if it jumped up and bit you on the backside. No wonder you aren't convinced - you don't understand even the simplest basic maths, let alone basic chemistry.

Recently, I have appeared in FTJ. 2maro is my fifth paper. Yes, i am busy. There are total six theory paper and three practicals. Stay in touch! I will visit again.

And "FTJ" is...what?

And would you be kind enough to share any one or more of your papers you mentioned with us? I'm sure we would be hugely enlightened about your huge knowledge of homeopathy.


Incidentally, I note that your avatar has now changed from some chap with a small beard and moustache (plus horse-cart!) to a clean-shaven person of a completely different face. In other words, you are now a different person, it would appear! I wonder if I can find that face somewhere else...

 

[Zep]

i am among those who do not hide something or afraid of any person.

Search "Dr. MAS", you will always find my name on homeopathic discussion and other boards" I never bothered somebody can enter in my computer and hack me. But you are so worried and afraid people. I am still here and will never fly away.

Excellent!

Then please answer the questions on chemistry put to you by the above people. No namby-pambying about wanting us to post you OUR answers for you to correct, or some such lark. All that does is give you the information YOU should already know. And you have already had a significant amount of high-school chemistry posted here just to help you along to start with and give something to argue from anyway.

No, you are going to have to prove yourself here in public, I'm afraid. Go to it, Dr MAS - the floor is yours right here to put up your theories of how homeopathy does not use conventional chemistry, and to show us your astounding arguments as to how it DOES work. So far, going on your recent responses, you have not made a distinguished start, but we live in hope...


PS. I'm betting you will invent some pathetic excuse to NOT post anything remotely like we have requested...

 

[Donks]

Dr. MAS: I will correct on your thesis. Type your thesis (exactly in the thesis form) and send it to me. I will the expeneditures of your postage.

Erm. Okay... how about I write a short sumary here and you correct me?

Dr. MAS: your discussion is based on "there is no molecules in above 18c. I said, you prove this statement on papers and send it to me endorse with two ph.d doctors in the filed of chemistry. I will pay the postal charges.

Okay, let's see. I guess the sumary can answer both your questions. But after I post this you better 1) show me where I'm wrong; 2) demonstrate an alternative that still explains all observations in chemistry relating to Avogadro's (now obsolete according to you) number.

Let's start with 1 litre of 1 molar Na₂SO₄ solution, which has (by definition) 6.022 x 10²³ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10²³ sodium ions. This will be the mother tincture.
For convenience I'll prepare one full litter of 18C remedy. At every step 10ml of the previous step is taken and succussed with 990ml of solvent.

First dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10²¹ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10²¹ sodium ions.

Second dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10¹⁹ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10¹⁹ sodium ions.

Third dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10¹⁷ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10¹⁷ sodium ions.

Fourth dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10¹⁵ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10¹⁵ sodium ions.

Fifth dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10¹³ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10¹³ sodium ions.

Sixth dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10¹¹ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10¹¹ sodium ions.

Seventh dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10⁹ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10⁹ sodium ions.

Eighth dilution:. You now have: 6.022 x 10⁷ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10⁷ sodium ions.

Ninth dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10⁵ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10⁵ sodium ions.

Tenth dilution: You now have: 6.022 x 10³ sulphate ions and 12.044 x 10³ sodium ions.

Eleventh dilution: You now have: ~60 sulphate ions and ~120 sodium ions.

Twelfth dilution: You now have: ~60% chance of having 1 sulphate ion, plus ~1 sodium ions.

Tirteenth dilution: You now have: ~6.022 x 10^-1% chance of having 1 sulphate ion and ~12.044 x 10^-1% of having 1 sodium ion.

Fourteenth dilution: You now have: ~6.022 x 10^-3% chance of having 1 sulphate ion and ~12.044 x 10^-3% of having 1 sodium ion.

Fifteenth dilution: You now have: ~6.022 x 10^-5% chance of having 1 sulphate ion and ~12.044 x 10^-5% of having 1 sodium ion.

Sixteenth dilution: You now have: ~6.022 x 10^-7% chance of having 1 sulphate ion and ~12.044 x 10^-7% of having 1 sodium ion.

Seventeenth dilution: You now have: ~6.022 x 10^-9% chance of having 1 sulphate ion and ~12.044 x 10^-9% of having 1 sodium ion.

Eighteenth dilution: You now have: ~6.022 x 10^-11% chance of having 1 sulphate ion and ~12.044 x 10^-11% of having 1 sodium ion.

*All probabilities are approximate. I'll try to get more precise.

So there you go. 18C. You have a remote chance of having even 1 ion of the original mother tincture.

BTW: geni, Rolfe, BSM, Zep, could you check my math? I was in kind of a hurry.

 

[H'ethetheth]

BTW: geni, Rolfe, BSM, Zep, could you check my math? I was in kind of a hurry.

Though I'm none of the above, I still have a small point. In the dilutions under 12C, wouldn't it be more complete to also state the chance that it varies significantly, say +/-5%?

Eta: Oh, and the number in the eleventh dilution should be 60, so you're off by a factor 10 from then onward.

 

[Rolfe]

BSM,

You are non-practical person who believes what is written in books and never confirms the equation practically. You are trying to teach lesson who is highly qualified in the subject. ()

....

Go and get admission in primary class school. You need to study few practical things.

Sadly, BSM tells me he is going to stop posting because he can no longer trust himself to stay within the board's rules of civility as regards the MAS collective and Kumar.

So, just for the record, I think it should be stated here that Badly Shaved Monkey has a PhD degree in Molecular Biology from the University of Cambridge. In order to achieve a PhD it is necessary to do a great deal of practical research, at a level which it seems MAS cannot even begin to comprehend. Perhaps it is MAS who needs to enrol in primary school.

Sorry, I just thought that needed saying.

Rolfe.

 

[Donks]

Though I'm none of the above, I still have a small point. In the dilutions under 12C, wouldn't it be more complete to also state the chance that it varies significantly, say +/-5%?

Eta: Oh, and the number in the eleventh dilution should be 60, so you're off by a factor 10 from then onward.

Thanks. I'll edit the post.

ETA: How does one pronounce your nickname?

 

[Rolfe]

Incidentally, I note that your avatar has now changed from some chap with a small beard and moustache (plus horse-cart!) to a clean-shaven person of a completely different face. In other words, you are now a different person, it would appear! I wonder if I can find that face somewhere else...

Be fair, I'm not a tabby cat....

Rolfe.

 

[DrDave]

And don't forget to endorse it with two phd doctors in the filed of chemistry

Dave