How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Dr. MAS]

It seems to have escaped your notice, but the purpose of this thread, (which you started, remember?) is for you to explain to us how homeopathy works. Not for anyone to explain their theories to you.

I have no plan to escape because I know what I have to do. How homeopathy does work? This is four years plan and it is cleary indicated in the subject. You want to understand in a day? I will continue to send posts to explain how does homeopathy work.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Good. You should be perfectly willing to say where and when you obtained the qualifications you have claimed then. This thread would be an appropriate place for you to do this.

Only that person can ask this question to me who will disclose his/her information in the same manner, as I have already disclosed in my profile which shahkeel sarwar made for me? because if I will say, I have done master from punjab university then you will ask my roll number? (as stated by paki member) When I will tell you the roll number and university registeration number then you will ask me what were the subjects, this shows that the questions will never end.

 

[Dr. MAS]

It's interesting that in his current incarnation (new avatar and all), he only seems to have found this thread, and none of the other ones he used to post in.

Sheeeesh........ (silent)

 

[Dr. MAS]

and multiple times refused to explain WHY it hasn't a practical application. Would you mind doing it?

Gaga, Dr. Phd. Grand Poohbah, Only Ruler of the Known World
(hey, he started the qualification race...)


edited für errori de spelling

What I have to explain when I found nothing in it. If you it has some matter you may try to win the prize on this ground.

 

[gtc]

I have no plan to escape because I know what I have to do. How homeopathy does work? This is four years plan and it is cleary indicated in the subject. You want to understand in a day? I will continue to send posts to explain how does homeopathy work.

So we can't expect an actual explanation until 2009?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Mas,

Why the fascination with other peoples qualifications, photo's phone numbers, addresses?

Dave

Becos I beleive that they are lier. They are family members of the same house.

When they will reveal their identity. You will see a drama on the stage. I know how to catch them and handle them.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Mas,

And finally - since you have rejected Badly Shaved Monkey et als calculations, perhaps you could let us know how you would calculate the number of molecules at each step?

Dave

I have rejected this idea on some grounds because I know only an illeterate person can float this idea. BSM claims he is ph.d ask him/her to send this idea in true thesis format with references and endorse the signature of ph.d doctors.

I assure you, univeristy who issued him a ph.d degree will review its decission on that ground which I will provide with two ph.d doctors signature.

 

[Donks]

MAS: Are you going to adress mine and H'ethetheth's posts or not?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Is this a new and different prize to the "Prove homeopathy is paranormal" one?


Anyway, if this really IS a new prize, and you really DO want to be fair about it this time, how about you publish the details in full in a public place on the Internet, and make it properly scientific this time. And then provide a link here in this forum directly to it, NOT just to your silly NCH website. Can you be trusted to be fair and do this?



The problem with me is that I am discussing with people who have their own priciple of understanding. They have in their mind that they will not accept anything.

Look at your above remarks:

First you said, publish the detail on internet on public place.

I published the detail on NCH web site which is the official web site of NCH. This is also a public place. The site is owned by government department. This also proves its authenticity.

You said, provide the link

Yes, the link was provided many times.

You called it a "silly" site. I have been on net for more than 15 years (approx). The user name "Dr. MAS" is also present in each discussion forum. You cannot point out a single word when my colleagues or me used such kind of words in discussion because I believe that only illeterate person who have no ground to prove his verdict use such words. This is also the outcome of psychological depression you have.





And "FTJ" is...what?
Four year course in what? I thought you had finished your courses and had graduated.




See, the prove. I posted earlier, a question was floated what is FTJ? I answered and here come another from Zep four years course in what? When I will explain it then you will ask more question?

"Graduated", yes i have done four bachelor degrees in different subjects and this is another medical profession course which purely deals with Study of plants at higher level, Type of medicines and it working and body chemistry.





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And would you be kind enough to share any one or more of your papers you mentioned with us? I'm sure we would be hugely enlightened about your huge knowledge of homeopathy.
You have all the answers and can prove them? Oh, well then - that's excellent. So how about sharing your proof with us here and now? And you don't need to go anywhere, nor us go to you. Simply prove yourself right here on the international Internet by giving us what you promised at the top of this thread that you would give us - a course in homeopathy. If you refuse, we can only assume you are lying about it everything - your qualifications, your "proofs", homeopathy, everything.



already answered.






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Incidentally, I note that your avatar has now changed from some chap with a small beard and moustache (plus horse-cart!) to a clean-shaven person of a completely different face. In other words, you are now a different person, it would appear! I wonder if I can find that face somewhere else...




I have the right to change my avatar whenever I will wish to do so. Any problem?

I know what you want to feed the administrator. I am not fool.

In this pic, i am standing with the president of pakistan.




"Quiet". Really, you're the one who changed your avatar. It used to be the same picture as what appears to be a genuine Dr MAS at the NCH website, but now it is someone completely different. But I know who that person is too! Which tells me you are probably NOT the real Dr MAS at all, but one of his "students" who likes trying to be a silly little troll. Which explains a lot around here lately!



What a cunning mind you have. (I know where you want me to take. )

I am dr.mas (ph.d) a jref member.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Mas, I know Badly Shaved Monkey, and his wife (and two children). They are personal friends of mine. They are also professional colleagues.



Oh my god, are they living in your house? You are the family member of BSM?







This means that if I had any doubt at all that he was telling the truth when he told me he had a PhD from the University of Cambridge, it is easy for me to look him up in the Register of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons to check. And there is his entry, right in front of me now. "27/6/87 VetMB Cambridge: MA, VetMB, PhD, MRCVS" And I know that it is necessary to prove to the RCVS that you have any qualification before they will include it in your listing in the Register - it was the same for my qualifications, including my PhD. Appearing in that book is absolute proof that you really do have the degree.




Do you believe that after disclosing that info, I can reach at BSM? That's why I said earlier, I am fighting with illeterate persons.

I am setting an example for you in the same manner.

"2/5/86 Ph.D (Alt Med), QC&AMC Reg No. Q/C 5"






Now, you have to explain where he was wrong in his explanation of the application of Avogadro's number. You cannot simply tell someone that you disagree with their calculation, you have to point out where the mistake is.




I already answered. Read my reply with reference to belladonna dilutions, probablity law and also agno3 example of homeo man. I don't know where are these posts.




So far you have not done that.Why do you ask for picture and name and address and phone number? (The last three of these are also in the Register entry in front of me of course, but I have absolutely no intention of revealing them here.)




You can post it private. I assure you, I will use them for investigation and will not reveal your identity at any forum. Dr. Inam Ullah Mirza of pakistan ministry official is proceeding to UK in a month. I will give the task to verify your status in UK. You have to verify that the information contain in the register is linked with you. Or you are the same person. ok

I will also move to islamabad to talk to some health officials about the pandora box of this discussion. I will request them to send official letter to your education ministries to send information about your true status and qualification.

Before doing this I will take permission from you. I assure you I will not take any step without your permisison. Because in this unfruitful discussion I do not want to involve health officials. This is my gentleman promise, if you agree.

The second choice is, you send your certifications along with your avogadros thesis application to me. I think, this is easier for you.






We have not asked you for any of these. You have volunteered some of them, but the fact that your picture keeps changing rather suggests the evidence isn't worth anything anyway.




Avatar has no link with the discussion. you can place anykind of pic in your respective avatar according to the rules. There is no restriction to put real picture in the avatar. Ok




We merely, in the other thread, asked where you studied for your qualifications, and how long each course was, and the year in which they were awarded, and which subjects you had to study. Most posters here who are unwilling to reveal their names and phone numbers will give that information - I have already posted most of mine for you, though you appeared to ignore it.



your information was not complete. (follow my reply above)




However, what relevance are qualifications to whether or not someone's argument is actually right? The question is, is the arithmetic about Avogadro's number that has been presented to you right, or not? You say you reject it. But you have not explained on what grounds. Until you do, your rejection is meaningless.



WHEN YOU REJECTED "HOMEOPATHY DOES NOT WORK" AND I REQUESTED TO EXPLAIN IT ON WHAT AT WHAT GROUND THEN YOU DID NOT CAME UP WITH YOUR EXPLANATIONS.





Donks and H'ethetheth have both posted clear calculations explaining the exact position with regard to the numbers of molecules expected in a litre of a range of homoeopathic dilutions. You wanted this countersigned by two PhDs in appropriate subjects, and I and Dr. Badly Shaved Monkey have done this (I imagine DrDave would make a third if necessary).



Then why are you waiting... send it to me. A big prize is waiting for you. Remember you have to explain it with reference to homeopathy.




So now, please address these posts, and if you disagree, please explain where you think the calculations are wrong. If you can't, we will have to conclude that it is you who has not completed primary school education.



And you (so called ph.d's) failed to explained anything to primary educationist who also offered you million rs.




Rolfe.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Just bumping this thread to say that Badly Shaved Monkey tells me I was mistaken about the source of his PhD. Although his MA and VetMB degrees are indeed from the University of Cambridge, as recorded in the RCVS Register, his PhD was from the (equally prestigious) University of London.

Rolfe.

Rolfe, You please allow bsm to speak up. Don't speak from his side. Again you are misleading as usual.

What is his actual portfolio? We have our own resources to sort him out.

 

[Zep]

MAS:
The problem with me is that I am discussing with people who have their own principle of understanding. They have in their mind that they will not accept anything.

Look at your above remarks:

First you said, publish the detail on internet on public place.

I published the detail on NCH web site which is the official web site of NCH. This is also a public place. The site is owned by government department. This also proves its authenticity.

You said, provide the link

Yes, the link was provided many times.

You called it a "silly" site. I have been on net for more than 15 years (approx). The user name "Dr. MAS" is also present in each discussion forum. You cannot point out a single word when my colleagues or me used such kind of words in discussion because I believe that only illeterate person who have no ground to prove his verdict use such words. This is also the outcome of psychological depression you have.

I'm sure it would not surprise anyone here to be informed that the NCH website that MAS refers to STILL does NOT have any information about ANY homeopathic challenge or prize or anything like that to this day. And yet the only link he provided was to the NCH website... Believe me, I've looked for it all over that site - spent a lot of time doing it too. The only vague reference is some half-baked riposte to a taunt, not unlike just a few posts above here, hidden deep in a thread of the attached discussion forum, which was, until not so long ago, available only to registrants of that forum. Certainly the forum is provided by a third party forum host, NOT the NCH website at all, but MAS never even linked to that. So much for your "public place", and "providing the links", MAS. I would have thought that a government-sponsored body would be a great deal more technically competent and honest than that.

As I said above, I am perfectly willing to apply for your challenges, but you never allow any of us to actually apply because there are no real challenges ever offered. The NCH site seems to be very static, and the last time I looked, you have long stopped posting on your own forum there. I am also perfectly willing to hear what you have to say here, as are many others, but you aren't saying anything! Is it any wonder we think you are a fraud?

MAS:
See, the prove. I posted earlier, a question was floated what is FTJ? I answered and here come another from Zep four years course in what? When I will explain it then you will ask more question?

"Graduated", yes i have done four bachelor degrees in different subjects and this is another medical profession course which purely deals with Study of plants at higher level, Type of medicines and it working and body chemistry.

Your exact and complete response to my question about FTJ was: "FAZIL TIBB & JIRAHAT (four year course)". Do you remember that? And since I don't speak or read Urdu (and I'm assuming it's Urdu), I thought I would ask you to translate that course title for us. So would you mind?

Zep:
You have all the answers and can prove them? Oh, well then - that's excellent. So how about sharing your proof with us here and now? And you don't need to go anywhere, nor us go to you. Simply prove yourself right here on the international Internet by giving us what you promised at the top of this thread that you would give us - a course in homeopathy. If you refuse, we can only assume you are lying about it everything - your qualifications, your "proofs", homeopathy, everything.

MAS:
already answered.

Actually, not answered at all. No-one here can see any "proof" from you of anything. If you call your "Probability Law" theory an answer then you are sorely mistaken. As they say in the classics, "BZZZT! Try again!"

MAS:
I have the right to change my avatar whenever I will wish to do so. Any problem?

I know what you want to feed the administrator. I am not fool.

In this pic, i am standing with the president of pakistan.
...
What a cunning mind you have. (I know where you want me to take. )

I am dr.mas (ph.d) a jref member.

I don't want to take a single thing to the Admins here. That's your own paltry excuse, not mine, and makes you look like you WANT to be persecuted for some reason. I'll tell you straight - we REALLY couldn't be bothered doing that. Leave if you like, but if you stay inside the rules while you're here, you won't even be considered for expulsion.

Sure, you can change your avatar if you wish, but I simply find it curious to see you using your own picture for a long time that matches the NCH pictures of "Dr MAS", then suddenly someone else's picture turns up who is not the same person. As I said, it's curious, but it does tend to indicate to the rest of the world, not just me, that there is more than one person operating the "Dr. MAS" account.

But this is all up to YOU to consider, not me. Use what you like, I could not be bothered reporting you.

 

[Chris Haynes]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Mas, I know Badly Shaved Monkey, and his wife (and two children). They are personal friends of mine. They are also professional colleagues.



Oh my god, are they living in your house? You are the family member of BSM?

Are you intentionally trying to look incredibly stupid?

 

[Donks]

Are you intentionally trying to look incredibly stupid?

I think that's one of his natural talents.

And while I'm in a off-topic post, I'm glad to say that my NCH clone has finaly posted! Some incomprehensible little reply, so pretty much indistinguishable from my actual posts
Does John Richard BSc post here too? He obviously reads the forum, he asked my clone a question in French to find out if it was a me or not.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Are you intentionally trying to look incredibly stupid?

Lord, why would he need to try.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

We have our own resources to sort him out.

Does it involve a talking hat?

 

[Dr. MAS]

I'm sure it would not surprise anyone here to be informed that the NCH website that MAS refers to STILL does NOT have any information about ANY homeopathic challenge or prize or anything like that to this day.




I have no link with the site. I posted information about the previous offer on NCH discussion board which is a public place.





I would have thought that a government-sponsored body would be a great deal more technically competent and honest than that.


who is sponsoring jref offer? is the government involve in jref offer?



As I said above, I am perfectly willing to apply for your challenges, but you never allow any of us to actually apply because there are no real challenges ever offered.




Ok, I am busy in my exams, college teaching, clinical practice, seminar organizing and computer teaching. I have detailed "AAsi" who tried to get registeration three times at this board but was not allowed. I will ask him to get registeration again.

His email address is [email protected]

If administrator is reading this post, I will request him to allow this person. He is living some 250 kilometers away from my city.







The NCH site seems to be very static, and the last time I looked, you have long stopped posting on your own forum there.



I have recommended to close the site, I have no link with site upgrade. Dr. Nasir ch has directed me to work on another government site. I am not impressed with the information at NCH web site. Although it is a good effort from non-homeopaths.








Sure, you can change your avatar if you wish, but I simply find it curious to see you using your own picture for a long time that matches the NCH pictures of "Dr MAS", then suddenly someone else's picture turns up who is not the same person. As I said, it's curious, but it does tend to indicate to the rest of the world, not just me, that there is more than one person operating the "Dr. MAS" account.



I will reply when the administrator will ask this question and I know he will not ask this question becuase he knows everything.

You have no right.




But this is all up to YOU to consider, not me. Use what you like, I could not be bothered reporting you.

I am leaving.... bye.

and take care.

 

[Donks]

I am leaving.... bye.

and take care.

Yes, run away.

Kind of sad, isn't it? This is the elite of the Pakistani homeopaths, the leader of the pack, the one they all look up to.
That'll teach me to invest more than 2 minutes into a post. Not even the courtesy of replying to it. I'd be pissed off if it wasn't exactly what I expected.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Yes, run away.

Kind of sad, isn't it? This is the elite of the Pakistani homeopaths, the leader of the pack, the one they all look up to.
That'll teach me to invest more than 2 minutes into a post. Not even the courtesy of replying to it. I'd be pissed off if it wasn't exactly what I expected.

I'm sorry Donks. I read and appreciate the posts though! All this stuff is helping me with my coursework now that I'm back in school. I just got an A on my paper on the scientific method and I had great examples from this board.

With Mas and the rest it's best just to stick to random insults. The ruder you are the more "you" will post on the NCH board. Feel free to do it in French; I'm always open to learning new insults in foreign languages.

 

[gtc]

FAZIL TIBB & JIRAHAT

I think Fazil may be the equivalent of a diploma or some such from a trawl of google. Though this is a bit of a guess.

Tibb seems to be an arabic word for a system of 'medicine' synthesised from 'Arabic, Greco-Arab, Hikmah, Unani, Islamic and Sufi medicine'

Tibb

Jirahat means wound

Jirahat http://www.tayyebi.com.pk/td/FE/directors.php

All the directors of this company have the qualification what ever it is.

http://www.tayyebi.com.pk/td/FE/directors.php

This is a course which I guess may be something similar from the Mohsin Institute in England:

Prospectus

Still doesn't answer why someone who has umpteen PhDs should be studying this.