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Hitchens being an ass

It's the same thing as momma jokes. I can say **** about my mama, but if you do you better run for your mother ****ing life.
 
Ysidro said:
Or, you know, people are willing to celebrate people for some things and admonish them for others. I suppose you believe folks should stand by and agree with everything someone says or does if they agree with at least one point that individual makes?

I'd put some eye-rolling smilies in here but I'd crash the forum for as many as I'd need.
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Come on. Hitch's indelicate reference to Sykes may be raunchy, but that's what goes on at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. When Perez Hilton called Carrie Prejean a "dumb bitch" and a "****" he wasn't even going for a laugh.
 
joobz said:
This is the phrase political junkies use when they become confused by people who place personal ideals above political affiliations.
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People who can only operate in a politically correct environment let their emotions overwhelm their common sense. How does Hitch's remark threaten any ideal?
 
Cicero said:
Well, it didn't take long for libs to throw Hitch under the bus after they celebrated him for his waterboarding demonstration. Hitch will now have to answer to Maddow, Valez-Mitchell, Orman and Perez Hilton for this lapse of PC judgement.
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I'm still a fan- not big fan but fan- of Hitchens'. I still like him and still think he's brilliant and a terrific thinker and writer, though he went Michael Richards on someone for 2 seconds. He'll be back on all the talk shows soon enough.

In a way, I like him because he's such an equal opportunity offender, so confrontational and so genuinely doesn't give a flip what anyone thinks. People like him are like the kid who was the biggest troublemaker in school- you admire him for his absolute fearlessness and he does the crazy stuff so you don't have to and can instead live vicariously through him.

Edit: You can't compare what he said to Perez Hilton's comments about Miss California. He was at the White House. And he is not a celebrity blogger.

Where does something like "black dyke" even come from? Even in my worst anger at a person who happens to be gay, I never resorted to slurs.
 
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Cicero said:
Come on. Hitch's indelicate reference to Sykes may be raunchy, but that's what goes on at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. When Perez Hilton called Carrie Prejean a "dumb bitch" and a "****" he wasn't even going for a laugh.
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But I don't quote Hilton as an expert on...well...anything. Hitchens has done research on, written books about, and spoken on things about which I'd like to think he has some authority. Saying stupid **** lessens his standing, however tenuous that standing may have been in the first place.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
I'm still a fan- not big fan but fan- of Hitchens'. I still like him and still think he's brilliant and a terrific thinker and writer, though he went Michael Richards on someone for 2 seconds. He'll be back on all the talk shows soon enough.

In a way, I like him because he's such an equal opportunity offender, so confrontational and so genuinely doesn't give a flip what anyone thinks. People like him are like the kid who was the biggest troublemaker in school- you admire him for his absolute fearlessness and he does the crazy stuff so you don't have to and can instead live vicariously through him.
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I am a huge fan of the guy. The Hitchens brothers are truly gifted polemicists and have the ability to speak extemporaneously with pithy persiflage. Their appearances with Brian Lamb on C-SPAN are truly fascinating. That he can be as coarse as W.C. Fields is just an extra bonus.
 
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Cicero said:
People who can only operate in a politically correct environment let their emotions overwhelm their common sense. How does Hitch's remark threaten any ideal?
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Who said threaten?
 
jmcvann said:
But I don't quote Hilton as an expert on...well...anything. Hitchens has done research on, written books about, and spoken on things about which I'd like to think he has some authority. Saying stupid **** lessens his standing, however tenuous that standing may have been in the first place.
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If using a slang word for lesbian is all it takes to disqualify a polemicist's gravitas then the PC culture has indeed corrupted all common sense. Since you believe that Hitchens standing as an "expert" was always "tenuous," why do you even care about Hitchens stature?
 
Cicero said:
Well, how did Hitch's remark effect your ideal in any substantive fashion?
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It didn't. But then, I'm not the one complaining about his comment.

But does a comment need to "effect someone's ideal in any substantive fashion" in order for it to be called stupid or inappropriate?

Remember, you were the one who said the pundits "threw hitchens under the bus." I was pointing out what a stupid thing that is to say. You saying it doesn't effect my ideals.
 
Bombastic Penguin said:
Is this thread going to be the continuation of the "Christopher Hitchens is not a real atheist because he hurt my feelings" saga? Only time will tell.
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Considering that no one brought up his beliefs or lack thereof, I do believe that that's a "no". Perhaps trying to start up the argument yourself?
 
Cicero said:
If using a slang word for lesbian is all it takes to disqualify a polemicist's gravitas then the PC culture has indeed corrupted all common sense. Since you believe that Hitchens standing as an "expert" was always "tenuous," why do you even care about Hitchens stature?
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You jumped from "lessen" to "disqualify." Don't put words in my mouth.

And "tenuous" was a bad choice from me. I meant to say that he is considered a lightning rod, and this incident gives his foes ammunition. (Nice mixing of metaphors, don't you think?)
 
Yeah, Hitch is an ass. But the round of TV interviews he did upon the death of Jerry Falwell will always stand him in good stead with me.
 
jmcvann said:
You jumped from "lessen" to "disqualify." Don't put words in my mouth.

And "tenuous" was a bad choice from me. I meant to say that he is considered a lightning rod, and this incident gives his foes ammunition. (Nice mixing of metaphors, don't you think?)
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Can you name any polemicist that is described in the most rhapsodizing fashion by the entire political and social spectrum? They wouldn't be polemicists; they would be Angelina Jolie.

Foes? The same people who dismissed him as an alcholic lout before this tempest in a teapot were not going to change their impression of him if he referred to Sykes as as a model of the alternate lifestyle African American.
 
ravdin said:
I agree with Hitchens that Wanda Sykes did get it wrong. She had a unique opportunity to poke fun at the most powerful man on the planet, and she decided to take a cheap shot at Rush Limbaugh instead. She was supposed to make light of the President. Limbaugh doesn't deserve the attention.
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Please.

Limbaugh is a prominent political figure who regularly attacks political figures and minorities, often without cause. Since she's a gay black woman, I figure that Wanda Sykes has first dibs at Limbaugh with the nail bat. He's far more than earned it.

And yes, Sykes *did* make jokes about the President and the first lady - see the nipples joke for Barack and touching the queen for Michelle.

I guess I can understand why people might find her amusing, but...the WH asked for Wanda Sykes, they got Wanda Sykes.
 
rustypouch said:
Hmm... maybe I go to the wrong bars. I can't recall the last time I have seen a fight. But then, I avoid places that cater to pro-sports loving suburbanites.
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Try the ones with the "no knives" signs! There's also a couple of pretty neat ones in Red Deer and the 'Hat where life can get interesting in a hurry.

Tell 'em you have proofs devised by Schopenhauer that prove the Rebels or Tigers suck big wang. Pretend to punch numbers into your financial calculator while you're telling them this.
 
stilicho said:
Try the ones with the "no knives" signs! There's also a couple of pretty neat ones in Red Deer and the 'Hat where life can get interesting in a hurry.

Tell 'em you have proofs devised by Schopenhauer that prove the Rebels or Tigers suck big wang. Pretend to punch numbers into your financial calculator while you're telling them this.
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And for pities sake don't say, "We don't do it that way in Toronto". :scared:
 
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