Hitchens being an ass

[Monketi Ghost]

I don't. And why is he allowed to use an ad hom argument when others are not?

Outside of formal argument, one should be more free.

 

[jmcvann]

From our friends at Wiki:



Bolding mine.

What the English atheist said.

Are you defending "black dyke" as civil language?

 

[scissorhands]

Sorry, but considering Hitchens reputation and his history, I can't buy he did not know that Dyke would be offensive.

I gave you a clue already.
The word is used extensively in the UK, by lesbians, to describe themselves.

 

[SRW]

And the person who seems to want to offend everybody at some point is not being honest, he is just showboating for attention.

Are you calling Hitch an attention whore?

Won't have much argument on that one I would imagine.

 

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

It is used extensively within the lesbian community in UK to describe themselves.
Look it up sometime.

I've heard lesbians very occasionally use "dyke" jokingly or ironically but it's still a loaded slur.

It's pejorative, plain and simple.

Of course Hitchens meant to cause offense. We know he's not a homophobe so he was probably talking more out of anger and maybe drunkeness than anything but it was still a bad thing to say.

Even if he had said "the black lesbian", I'd have raised my eyebrows.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

It is used extensively within the lesbian community in UK to describe themselves.
Look it up sometime.

in the US as well.

Trouble is always: unless you're a member of said group, you don't have the privelege of said group to the same degree.

 

[Bombastic Penguin]

Are you defending "black dyke" as civil language?

Are you implying that you don't make vulgar jokes, and goof off outside of this forum? Nobody is perfect, and perfection isn't perfect.

 

[scissorhands]

I've heard lesbians very occasionally use "dyke" jokingly or ironically but it's still a loaded slur.

It's pejorative, plain and simple.

Complete ********.
Maybe its different in the US.
I have known lesbians who detested that name and preferred to be known as dykes, you are completely and hopelessly wrong.
If in doubt then log in to any number of feminist sites in the UK and see.

 

[stilicho]

Maybe Calgary bars are similar?

Just walk into one wearing a Saskatchewan Roughriders or Edmonton Oilers jersey some day.

 

[joobz]

Saskatchewan Roughriders

Are they in the same league as the Ramses Brokebacks?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Are you defending "black dyke" as civil language?

Hey. She started it.

And, I would say, it certainly depends on the circumstances. Since Limbaugh was not there to defend himself.

 

[scissorhands]

Just walk into one wearing a Saskatchewan Roughriders or Edmonton Oilers jersey some day.

Confirming just how irrelevant it is to bring up whether Hitchens would go down well in a bar in Calgary or Glasgow.
Meat heads in both.

 

[Bombastic Penguin]

Hey. She started it.

And, I would say, it certainly depends on the circumstances. Since Limbaugh was not there to defend himself.

Maybe she could even be sued for slander

 

[stilicho]

Are they in the same league as the Ramses Brokebacks?

There are two theories on where the name "Roughriders" came from. One states that it came from the North West Mounted Police who were called Roughriders because they broke the wild horse broncos used by the force. The other states there was a Canadian contingent who fought with Teddy Roosevelt in the Spanish-American War. Roosevelt’s troops became known as the Roughriders. Following the war, the troops returned to Canada, part settling in Ottawa, and the rest moving out West. The colours of the Roosevelt infantry were red and black.

(Source: http://www.riderville.com/fan_zone/history/ )

But, indeed, there are apparently gay people in Saskatchwan: http://www.travelgaycanada.com/businesses.asp?provinceid=13. I don't have the statistics on how many of them have season tickets to the Green 'Riders.

 

[rustypouch]

Just walk into one wearing a Saskatchewan Roughriders or Edmonton Oilers jersey some day.

Hmm... maybe I go to the wrong bars. I can't recall the last time I have seen a fight. But then, I avoid places that cater to pro-sports loving suburbanites.

 

[plumjam]

What's so offensive about 'black dyke'?

This...
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/disney/marypoppins/MaryPoppins2.jpg

 

[Ysidro]

I gave you a clue already.
The word is used extensively in the UK, by lesbians, to describe themselves.

And ****** is used by black Americans to describe themselves.

That doesn't make it right.

 

[Cicero]

Well, it didn't take long for libs to throw Hitch under the bus after they celebrated him for his waterboarding demonstration. Hitch will now have to answer to Maddow, Valez-Mitchell, Orman and Perez Hilton for this lapse of PC judgement.

 

[Ysidro]

Well, it didn't take long for libs to throw Hitch under the bus after they celebrated him for his waterboarding demonstration. Hitch will now have to answer to Maddow, Valez-Mitchell, Orman and Perez Hilton for this lapse of PC judgement.

Or, you know, people are willing to celebrate people for some things and admonish them for others. I suppose you believe folks should stand by and agree with everything someone says or does if they agree with at least one point that individual makes?

I'd put some eye-rolling smilies in here but I'd crash the forum for as many as I'd need.

 

[Cleon]

Well, it didn't take long for libs to throw Hitch under the bus after they celebrated him for his waterboarding demonstration. Hitch will now have to answer to Maddow, Valez-Mitchell, Orman and Perez Hilton for this lapse of PC judgement.

Or, perhaps not everyone is into hero worship the way you think they are.