Has Pdoh gone stark raving sane?

doctorfungi said:
It could play out like this:

1. New Truther signs up to JREF
2. New Truther acts the same as Wizard, Pdoh etc
3. People accuse him of being Pdoh
4. New Truther says "I can't be Pdoh because he doesn't believe it anymore"

He could just be using this as a cover for his next sock is what I'm saying.
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Doc you've got a devious mind but I like it. Very plausible scenario.

I think he has to put in his time elsewhere. He needs to generate a history of heralding his newfound logic and conversion to The Light-Seeing Crowd.

I've never been for lifetime banning on any serious, thought-provoking message board. Suspensions of varying lengths? Yes. But lifetime banning is outrageous. As someone mentioned, even prisoners get extra chances. Lifetime bans are exceedingly ridiculous and unfair. Just my opinion, which may be worth exactly nothing, since I've never been a Mod.
 
Oliver said:
I think so, too - but personally i couln´t refuse an
apology of him saying he was wrong.
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You break the rules you get banned.

Why is this so hard to unterstand.
 
Oliver said:
I think so, too - but personally i couln´t refuse an
apology of him saying he was wrong.
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That's very (kind? nice? gullible?) of you. It's not that I am opposed to "second chances" and it's not that I disbelieve all "epiphanies" that allegedly occur.

But as I said above,
Personally, I'm not convinced that he's had any such epiphany at all, particularly in light of the very short time between his latest sockpuppet being banned and his newly published about-face.

More likely, he's just toying around and hoping to show that JREFers are as gullible as troofers, in that troofers are so eager and willing to simply accept at face value the words that they want to hear, no matter the source.


Perhaps he's hanging out at the "ready room" at the loosewiththetruth forum, cackling over this latest idea - pretending to have seen the light so that they can all have a good laugh about it later.
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In light of his history, I do not see any reason to take his "latest" word at any higher value than the hundreds and hundreds of posts he made here, all of which were full of crap.

And I will reiterate that changing the rules to accommodate a multiple offender, multiple banned tinhatter who purports to have switched sides would be entirely wrong and would only bring the JREF into disrepute.
 
LashL said:
That's very (kind? nice? gullible?) of you. It's not that I am opposed to "second chances" and it's not that I disbelieve all "epiphanies" that allegedly occur.

But as I said above,

In light of his history, I do not see any reason to take his "latest" word at any higher value than the hundreds and hundreds of posts he made here, all of which were full of crap.

And I will reiterate that changing the rules to accommodate a multiple offender, multiple banned tinhatter who purports to have switched sides would be entirely wrong and would only bring the JREF into disrepute.
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My part is over since he said he does not want to get
back to the "disgusting JREF´ers" at the LC-Forum.
 
Oliver said:
My part is over since he said he does not want to get
back to the "disgusting JREF´ers" at the LC-Forum.
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In full:

PDoherty @LC said:
Killtown i take offence to this. Even though my mind has changed i still think the jrefers are disgusting.

They have been debating whether to reinstate my account but i would never go back there.

I will continue to argue fairly on here and if i see jrefers strawmanning ill still pull them on it
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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1804&view=findpost&p=10588763
 
Everyone just calm down,

He'll be back in here with a new sock soon enough.

Just be patient.

-Gumboot
 
An interesting post from the thread that PDoherty has started on the LC forums:

SqueakyBoom @LC said:
I haven't posted much since the old forum was shut down. I've been doing a lot of thinking since then. I'm less sure now than I ever was. So much has happpened within the movement and Congress and the war in Iraq and the whole landscape in general and a lot of questions I had tha t were unanswered are answered now, like the hijackers on teh fligh manifests. I guess it's just making less and less sense to me, at leatst the MIHOP version. But even LIHOP even though there's still a lot of unanswered anomalies I just don't see the sense of it anymore, or real evidence for how they could of done it. I just simply don't konw anymore...
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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1804&view=findpost&p=10589235

I'm wondering if this is representative of a lot of people who are now drifting away from the "movement". Dylan's behaviour in the Hardfire debate makes me think that even he is thinking like this now and trying to work out how to get himself out of the hole he's dug with Loose Change versions 1 and 2.
 
maccy said:
An interesting post from the thread that PDoherty has started on the LC forums:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1804&view=findpost&p=10589235

I'm wondering if this is representative of a lot of people who are now drifting away from the "movement". Dylan's behaviour in the Hardfire debate makes me think that even he is thinking like this now and trying to work out how to get himself out of the hole he's dug with Loose Change versions 1 and 2.
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I guess he will make some people think about the whole issue.
He´s doing what we are usually doing in here. But his former
MIHOP-ideology is more influential than our "Disinfo"-arguments...
 
I never thought I'd agree with this guy but he raises an awesome point against Killtown lol.

"Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence."

That's what I've been thinking/saying all along lol.
 
doctorfungi said:
I never thought I'd agree with this guy but he raises an awesome point against Killtown lol.

"Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence."

That's what I've been thinking/saying all along lol.
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pdohs been butting heads with killtown since his first banning here, so thats nothing new

but that history does lend an ounce of credibility to his "180" story
 
Check this out:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1804&st=60
second...and please don't take this the wrong way but I'm of the opinion that you were a j-refer all along who was out to infiltrate and ingrciate yourself to the other members of this forum in order to at a later date (today) "see the light" and make a grand exit taking some members with you but most importantly planting the seed of doubt in the minds of moderate posters and new members who may have been impressed with your taking on the enemy.
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That's just absolutely hilarious!
 
defaultdotxbe said:
pdohs been butting heads with killtown since his first banning here, so thats nothing new

but that history does lend an ounce of credibility to his "180" story
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Not sure which thread it was in, but I noted about a month ago that PDoherty was debunking some of the loons over there just like a JREFer.

ETA: Ah, here it is.
 
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maccy said:
An interesting post from the thread that PDoherty has started on the LC forums:



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1804&view=findpost&p=10589235

I'm wondering if this is representative of a lot of people who are now drifting away from the "movement". Dylan's behaviour in the Hardfire debate makes me think that even he is thinking like this now and trying to work out how to get himself out of the hole he's dug with Loose Change versions 1 and 2.
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Oh man, that thread is making my head hurt. It's like watching a Twilight Zone episode, except it's sort of real(or is it?? :boxedin: )
 
Brainster said:
Not sure which thread it was in, but I noted about a month ago that PDoherty was debunking some of the loons over there just like a JREFer.

ETA: Ah, here it is.
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yeah, thats the one i was thinking of too

makes you think theres something to his 180, either that or its one of killtowns long-term psyops, lol
 
Reading his posts on LC, it looks like he's the same ol' PD'oh, just taking the other side of the table. I don't think there'd be too much improvement on any side if we let him back in.
 
I don't really care if he's reinstated or not. My [limited] understanding is that he was banned for a blatant breach of board rules. That's quite apart from his ideology.

Even so, if he's reconsidering his former views this should be viewed as a positive thing. Maybe he was just disillusioned with the "truth movement", or maybe he was swayed by something he read here, or maybe it was some combination. Either way, "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" as they say.
 
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negativ said:
I don't really care if he's reinstated or not. My [limited] understanding is that he was banned for a blatant breach of board rules. That's quite apart from his ideology.

Even so, if he's reconsidering his former views this should be viewed as a positive thing. Maybe he was just disillusioned with the "truth movement", or maybe he was swayed by something he read here, or maybe it was some combination. Either way, "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" as they say.
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well the one thing that might swing me towards pdohs side is that it does seem that those one the "debunking" side (myself included) seem to get away with more rule violations and not get suspensions (with a hat tip uk_dave, pardalis and arus808, lol)

this is based of course on the fact that pdoh was suspended for breaches of membership agreement, then banned when he started making the sock puppets, if the suspension was a bit heavy handed maybe a reinstatement could be considered (although i guess he doesnt want to come back....for once)

although the anouncements never list specific posts that were violations, so its kinda tough to say whether truthers violations are all on par with stuff we tend to get away with
 
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