Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

[Haig]

Yet, despite the low sunspot count the ocean heat content and the surface temperatures continue to rise as you have been repeatedly shown.

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It's NOT just about "low sunspot count" and it's not just "any" sunspots, it's Earth directed ones. It's also Earth directed :- coronal holes, detaching filaments, CME's, Flares etc

This should help you understand ... Sun Series

So to spell it out - A Quiet Sun with low or no sunspots facing earth does not mean less energy reaching Earth necessarily. e.g. coronal holes migrating down to the solar mid latitudes from the poles (as they do in these times) thus directing their fast high energy Alfen waves at the Earth in Maunder Minimum like times triggering climate change and a cooling Earth (by moving /disrupting the Jet Stream ?)

Time will tell with Solar Cycle 25 forecast as being the weakest for some 400 yrs or since the last Grand Solar Minimum of the Maunder Minimum.

 

[Haig]

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Haig, please show the reference to sun-caused earthquakes in your spam links or refrain from posting off-topic spam.

So you haven't understood my posts Please give them another look and then show where I'm not relevant to the topic.

It's mainly about understanding the Sun - Earth connection

Here's some more info ...

The Calm, Top News, UFO Debunked | S0 News May 8, 2015

 

[macdoc]

horsepucky - you've been shown time and again this is a magnitude below the AGW signal ....now stop polluting the climate change thread.

 

[macdoc]

now Haig you've had your claim debunked for years...the new rules say if there is repetitious claims already covered then it does not belong.

Now how about answering the climate change question about ocean temperature rise???

Or is it inconvenient??

 

[CapelDodger]

You on the other hand have been right all along ? Is that what your claiming ?

I haven't been wrong because I don't take positions without strong supporting evidence. It was clear by the mid-80's that AGW was going to be significant within the next few decades and sure enough it has been.

Climate change is driven by our variable star and the evidence is growing daily.

Current global warming is caused by the enhanced greenhouse effect which in turn is caused primarily by the CO₂ we have added to the atmosphere. CO₂ is a greenhouse gas, whatever you might believe.

Your claim that evidence to the contrary - and, indeed, in support of the peculiar fantasies you believe in - is accumulating is pure wishful thinking.

Solar Cycle Update

My bold in the last sentence.

Solar Activity Heading for a Maunder Minimum?


Care to comment on the above ?

A Maunder Minimum will have no significant impact on global climate, which will continue to warm while you keep believing it's just about to cool. That's my comment, and I won't turn out to be wrong.

 

[Fudbucker]

You on the other hand have been right all along ? Is that what your claiming ?

Climate change is driven by our variable star and the evidence is growing daily.


Solar Cycle Update

My bold in the last sentence.

Solar Activity Heading for a Maunder Minimum?


Care to comment on the above ?

You're undermining your own argument. March was the warmest March on record. The last winter was the warmest Winter on record. The first quarter of 2015 was the warmest on record. 2014 was the hottest year on record.

So with declining solar activity, temperature records continue to be broken? What would be the causal factor in this warming, other than GHG's?

While the Arctic may not be ice free, it just hit a new record low.

Oh, and your Maunder Minimum link is from 2003. I hope you have more recent evidence to support your claims.

 

[macdoc]

Haig ....put it to bed....this is the leading researcher in the field....

Sunspot counts in the past years indicate that solar activity is on the decline again after 60 very active years. For the coming decades, the researchers expect a decrease in solar activity. Climate change skeptics now claim that this cooling could counterbalance the global warming caused by human emissions of greenhouse gases.
But Krivova dismisses this: "Current scientific work and the reports of the IPCC clearly show that greenhouse gases have contributed many times more than the Sun to the change in the Earth's heat balance in the past decades."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-fluctuations-solar.html#jCp

He knows what he's talking about....you don't.

time to move on

 

[Reality Check]

Earthquakes and the Solar System

And the inanity of science from a crank YouTube video continues, Haig!

 

[Reality Check]

Some more food for thought

No thought shown there Haig - just spamming the thread with yet another irrelevant video from a crank .

 

[Reality Check]

Sure it was an answer. you saw the link to NASA

Sorry, Haig, but what we saw was a lack of reading comprehension by citing a news article from February 5, 2010 about the SDO spacecraft (launched Feb. 9, 2010) and thinking that it was about earthquakes !

 

[Reality Check]

More on the Sun - Earth connection

Which is a fantasy, Haig.
That is a crank video stating a that there was an X class solar flare on 7 May (correct) and going on with delusions about
* what looks like Mercury and Venus causing it
* a comet-flare connection.
* a "magnetic storm" being connected with the event.
* then irrelevant delusions about a typhoon forming, an earthquake, etc.

 

[ehcks]

Planets growing into stars...

I thought it was stars shrinking into planets.

 

[Reality Check]

Did you know NASA discovered "magnetic ropes" stretch from our Sun all the way to Earth's magnetosphere !

Do you know that is science not delusions of YouTube cranks, Haig?

Obviously not because that next link is to the delusions of another really ignorant crank in a PDF !
Michael E. Gmirkin is a anti-magnetic reconnection crank who thinks that every scientists that states that it happens is wrong! The basics are simple. The definition of a magnetic field line means magnetic field lines do not exist where there is no magnetic field. If you have a changing magnetic field that makes field lines cross a place where there is no magnetic field (a null point) then they will not exists when crossing the null point. They will break and then reconnect.

And then there is more science that the the tail of Venus that NASA discovered was long enough to almost tickle the Earth and has no known effects on frequency of earthquakes!
Try reading what you cite
Science : Planet's tail of the unexpected 31 May 1997
VENUS: MAGNETIC FIELD AND MAGNETOSPHERE Encyclopedia of Planetary Sciences, edited by J. H. Shirley and R. W. Fainbridge, 905-907, Chapman and Hall, New York, 1997
and you might pause for actual understanding when you read well established science with no mention of earthquakes!

 

[Reality Check]

Here's some more info ...

About some cranks fantasizing about an Sun-Earth connection, Haig!
They lie about sunspots - there were plenty of them on 8 May 2015 (7 active regions with 61 sunspots) - this is not comparable with the Maunder Minimum
We have a bit of ignorance with "the Maunders watched the Sun do this hundreds of years ago". There is the Maunder Minimum (exceedingly rare sunspots from about 1645 and continuing to about 1715) that was noticed by the Maunders with papers published starting in 1890!
A fantasy about Belgian transformers being tripped by a "magnetic storm". This is typical crank behavior - in this instance they are looking at GOES magnetometer data, seeing a peak during 6 May and cherry picking events to match it.
The usual delusion about earthquakes being caused by the Sun (in this case a coronal hole on the Sun!).
Maybe another delusion of volcano activity being triggered by the Sun. The narrator cannot even understand the delusion - here is a coronal hole closing, they expect fewer earthquakes but blame volcano activity on it!

 

[Reality Check]

Anthropogenic Global Warming and Its Causes

So you link to a bit of typical fear, uncertainty and doubt propaganda at wattsupwiththat rather than actual climate science, Haig !

What we have is a blogger basically whining about:
* climate science is complex,
* climate models are complex,
* there are large uncertainties in climate sensitivity,
* fantasies about possible effects are science,
* what looks like the idiocy that climate scientists do not "look beyond CO2".

 

[Reality Check]

Mmmm could this be the cause of the Pause ?

Hmm, no - continued denial of climate science that has been pointed out to you many times is not the cause of the Pause, Haig !

Here is the paper you cite containing a prediction about future sun spot activity:
Date: 30 Apr 2015
On the Verge of a Grand Solar Minimum: A Second Maunder Minimum?
So in 90 years time we could have sunspot numbers down to the Maunder Minimum level and that will have minimal effect on global warming as you know, Haig.

 

[Reality Check]

Nope, it's happening now and will continue for most of the 21 century

Nope, a Maunder Minimum is not happening now, Haig !
Cherry picking a single paper doesn't mean that a Maunder Minimum will be here in 90 years time.
Continued denial of climate science from you still does not stop global warming.

 

[Reality Check]

N.B. Does the moderation above mean we can't post on this thread about the Sun and Global Warming ? That would seem a bit odd imo

As far as I can see, this thread is about discussing climate science - not endless repeats of the invalid science that a new Maunder Minimum will stop global warming when the climate science says that it will not.

For example regurgitating Habibullo Abdussamatov's invalid claims about sun spots and climate change via WUWT as if you were ignorant about the climate science that debunks his claims means that I suspect that your post and my reply will be moved there.

 

[Haig]

Sorry, Haig, but what we saw was a lack of reading comprehension by citing a news article from February 5, 2010 about the SDO spacecraft (launched Feb. 9, 2010) and thinking that it was about earthquakes !

Your missing the point RC

The title of the NASA piece is ...

Solar Dynamics Observatory: The 'Variable Sun' Mission

For some years now, an unorthodox idea has been gaining favor among astronomers. It contradicts old teachings and unsettles thoughtful observers, especially climatologists.
"The sun," explains Lika Guhathakurta of NASA headquarters in Washington DC, "is a variable star."

Some cycles are intense, with many sunspots and solar flares; others are mild, with relatively little solar activity. In the 17th century, during a period called the 'Maunder Minimum,' the cycle appeared to stop altogether for about 70 years and no one knows why."

So NASA are puzzled by the Sun but you are not ?

Consequences of a weak solar cycle

First, the weak solar cycle has resulted in rather benign “space weather” in recent times with generally weaker-than-normal geomagnetic storms. By all Earth-based measures of geomagnetic and geoeffective solar activity, this cycle has been extremely quiet. However, while a weak solar cycle does suggest strong solar storms will occur less often than during stronger and more active cycles, it does not rule them out entirely. In fact, the famous "superstorm" Carrington Event of 1859 occurred during a weak solar cycle (#10)

It's getting discussed in all sorts of places.

Global Warming Fear To Be Replaced By Ice Age Concern? PDF Page 18 to 21

If we have entered the planet’s next ice age, then it probably began with our most recent winter as the sun is now into its 24th solar cycle. The new 100-year climate forecast shows that temperatures around 2035 will be about even with the 1961-1990 average for the planet. By 2040 and thereafter, we can expect average temperatures to be below the long-term average. Maybe the public recognizes this eventuality since they seem to exhibit little concern over climate change in all the polls taken by the Gallup organization.

 

[Haig]

Which is a fantasy, Haig.
That is a crank video stating a that there was an X class solar flare on 7 May (correct) and going on with delusions about
* what looks like Mercury and Venus causing it
* a comet-flare connection.
* a "magnetic storm" being connected with the event.
* then irrelevant delusions about a typhoon forming, an earthquake, etc.

You see RC there is a lot more to the Sun - Earth connection that may just triggered earthquakes, volcanoes, storms here on Earth.

Consider these points

5 Truths About Earth's Magnetic Reversal

Click on "Show More" below the video for all the Video Citations---

Like this one Earth's Magnetic Field Is Fading

Earth's magnetic field is fading. Today it is about 10 percent weaker than it was when German mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss started keeping tabs on it in 1845, scientists say.

If the trend continues, the field may collapse altogether and then reverse. Compasses would point south instead of north.