Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

[Haig]

If there was anything to this nonsense why wasn't there a rash of powerful earthquakes in November 1882?

If it was "nonsense" their may not have been any but as it happens, there was major earthquakes in New Zealand and America.


No one is claiming they have ALL the answers yet!


EARTHQUAKE AT KAIKOURA.
Grey River Argus, Volume XXVII, Issue 4446, 22 November 1882


Historic Earthquakes,Near Denver, Colorado
1882 11 08 01:30 UTC Magnitude 6.6 Intensity VII


Rare, large earthquakes at the Laramide deformation front—Colorado (1882) and Wyoming (1984)


Who knows how many other earthquakes went unreported in those days?

 

[Reality Check]

If it was "nonsense" their may not have been any but as it happens, there was major earthquakes in New Zealand and America.

As it happens there was also "major" earthquakes in New Zealand and America and the rest of the world in every month of every year, Haig !

The obvious fact that ignorant cranks do not have answers, Haig, has escaped you (no matter how obsessed you are with their YouTube videos).

The science is: Does Solar Activity Cause Earthquakes? (the answer is not measurably)
Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes

[1] We examine the claim that solar-terrestrial interaction, as measured by sunspots, solar wind velocity, and geomagnetic activity, might play a role in triggering earthquakes. We count the number of earthquakes having magnitudes that exceed chosen thresholds in calendar years, months, and days, and we order these counts by the corresponding rank of annual, monthly, and daily averages of the solar-terrestrial variables. We measure the statistical significance of the difference between the earthquake-number distributions below and above the median of the solar-terrestrial averages by χ2 and Student's t tests. Across a range of earthquake magnitude thresholds, we find no consistent and statistically significant distributional differences. We also introduce time lags between the solar-terrestrial variables and the number of earthquakes, but again no statistically significant distributional difference is found. We cannot reject the null hypothesis of no solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes.

 

[Haig]

As it happens there was also "major" earthquakes in New Zealand and America and the rest of the world in every month of every year, Haig !

The obvious fact that ignorant cranks do not have answers, Haig, has escaped you (no matter how obsessed you are with their YouTube videos).

The science is: Does Solar Activity Cause Earthquakes? (the answer is not measurably)
Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes

Your missing the point RC

Here, take a few mins to think again if the Sun can trigger major earthquakes (Mag 6 & above) or not? ... after reviewing the facts found, so far. You may change your mind (maybe NOT you but others might )... So here is a start for you and the rest

EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update]

Published on 9 Oct 2014
www.Suspicious0bservers.org [Earthspots - Electric Earth and Sun]
www.ObservatoryProject.com

DOES THE SUN TRIGGER LARGE EARTHQUAKES?

at Stanford University and from the United States Geological Survey, a model was constructed using patterns discerned in the polar magnetic fields of the sun. These patterns in solar magnetism were informally observed to match with the occurrence of large earthquakes on our planet, so mathematical modeling was used to formally develop an algorithm describing those relationships.

Dr. Christopher Holloman’s team of researchers at The Ohio State University Statistical Consulting Service was able to construct a model that exhibited very strong agreement between solar magnetism patterns and the occurrence of large earthquakes. Formal testing of the model can only be performed by examining its performance over the next few years, but the agreement was sufficient to suggest that a relationship likely exists between solar polar fields, or magnetic fields associated with the north and south poles of the sun, and large earthquakes.

Earthquake and hurricane coupling is ascertained by ground-based laser interferometer and satellite observing techniques PDF

Abstract
The most destructive disasters such as the strongest earthquakes and the most powerful tropical cyclones can be treated as tightly coupled geophysical phenomena in their origin. Results of comparison of geophysical field variations and seismic activity of the Earth have evidently shown the correlation between lithosphere–atmosphere interactive disturbances, tropical cyclonic activity in the World Ocean, and seismic processes in the solid Earth. The ground-based laser interferometer techniques being supplemented by satellite observational systems can be considered as promising methods for common earthquake and hurricane monitoring and prediction.

Signatures of ocean storms on seismic records in South China Sea and East China Sea

Abstract
Ocean storms on seismic records reveal coupling mechanisms between Earth’s spheres. We analyzed temporal and spatial signatures of ocean storms on seismic records in the South China and East China Seas. The main points are: (1) the landing of ocean storms directly influences spectrum amplitudes of microseisms, showing an “increase-peak-decrease” pattern, whereas they exert no direct influence on Earth’s hum and the high-frequency noise; (2) for microseisms, spectrum amplitudes of short-period double-frequency microseisms are increased greatly during ocean storms’ landing, implying that storms preferably excite short-period ocean swells; (3) while the “increase-peak-decrease” pattern of spectrum amplitudes is observed for both short-period double-frequency microseisms and long-period double-frequency microseisms in South China Sea, the peak arrived and disappeared much earlier for long-period double-frequency microseisms, which can be explained by their causal mechanisms; (4) in East China Sea, only the spectrum amplitudes of short-period double-frequency microseisms show an “increase-peak-decrease” pattern and extraordinary spectrum pulses are observed reflecting thick sediments there; (5) spatial features of microseisms revealed from predominant polarization directions indicate that local coastlines play very important roles in deciding where ocean waves impact; (6) high-frequency noise is caused by local offshore wind-generated ocean waves instead of ocean storms; (7) the influence of ocean storm landing processes on microseisms can propagate through continents and is observed at inland stations; (8) seismic motions are excited more efficiently in horizontal directions when ocean waves impact seafloors. Our work clearly exhibits how effectively local ocean events are coupled with the Earth’s lithosphere in Chinese seas.

 

[Haig]

More on the Sun - Earth connection and conditions that can trigger earthquakes, volcano's, storms (and btw climate change)

Giant Waves, Delta Class Sunspot | S0 News May 4, 2015

 

[jeffreyw]

Haig thank you for sharing this information.

I remember in one of my first year geology classes our professor talked about a gentlemen who monitored animal behavior and found a clear connection with that and earthquake prediction/activity.

His funding was cut by the government.

I also remember hearing about a man back in the 1800's who proposed invisible things living on our hands which causes sickness. They all called him crazy/stupid.

 

[catsmate]

If it was "nonsense" their may not have been any but as it happens, there was major earthquakes in New Zealand and America.

Two? Is that it? After the most significant geo-magnetic solar event in recorded history?

EARTHQUAKE AT KAIKOURA.
Grey River Argus, Volume XXVII, Issue 4446, 22 November 1882

Historic Earthquakes,Near Denver, Colorado
1882 11 08 01:30 UTC Magnitude 6.6 Intensity VII

Wow, two M6.x quakes. That's it? An average years sees 120-150 such earthquakes.

Who knows how many other earthquakes went unreported in those days?

Give the increasing incidence of settlements, newspapers, records and telegraphy probably not as many as you'd like to believe. But anyway where are the planet-shaking effects?

 

[Reality Check]

..snipped conspiracy theory stuff...
I also remember hearing about a man back in the 1800's who proposed invisible things living on our hands which causes sickness. They all called him crazy/stupid.

Wrong analogy, jeffreyw.
You should be talking about a man back in the 1800's who proposed invisible pixies spreading pixie dust to cause disease. They all called him crazy/stupid and he was !

In this case we have a economist (Ben Davidson) with YouTube videos that have fooled Haig into thinking that an economist is an expert in physics !

Suspicious0bservers is a random YouTube crank with the fantasy that earthquakes are triggered from solar activity.
ETA:

It is amazing that Haig does not seem to bother to find about the authors of the sources he relies on.
About Ben Davidson states that he has no climate science or even science credentials. He is an economist !
Ben Davidson is an Electric Universe crank - he spoke at one of their conferences. This may explain Haig's blind acceptance of anything Ben Davidson says since Haig seems to do that with the EC crank idea in general (see the Electric Comet thread).

Add to this that Ben Davidson is not a geophysicist and possibly has no idea what it takes to trigger an earthquake.

 

[Reality Check]

Your missing the point RC

No I am not - the point is that you are so obsessed with the electric universe fantasies that you are willing to accept the unsupported word of an economist over the supported science from scientists, Haig.

Here, take a few minutes to think logically, Haig, if the Sun can trigger major earthquakes then there would be a correlation between solar activity and major earthquakes . There is no such correlation.
Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes

Take a few minutes to think rationally and realize that crank YouTube videos are not science, Haig!.

Take a few minutes to think at all and realize that the Sun is not the Earth, Haig !
Hurricanes are not solar activity! Ocean storms are not solar activity! All that the Sun does is warm up oceans to power storms. Guess what - solar activity has been decreasing over the last 35 years with no decrease in earthquakes that I know about.

Take a few minutes to read what you cite, Haig. The answer to "Does the Sun Trigger Large Earthquakes?" is do not blindly trust what that Ben Davidson crank imagines and writes on his web site!
That web page:
* Has no citations to even a press release about Dr. Christopher Holloman’s statistical analysis.
* At least acknowledges that this is unpublished work and that it is a potential statistical link.
* Self quotes as if he was an expert in the field!
* Cites an unknown Dr. Kongpop U-yen supporting the idea.
And a basic fact you do not know, Haig: correlation does not equal causation.

 

[CapelDodger]

Haig thank you for sharing this information.

I remember in one of my first year geology classes our professor talked about a gentlemen who monitored animal behavior and found a clear connection with that and earthquake prediction/activity.

His funding was cut by the government.

Which government was that and what research were they funding?

I also remember hearing about a man back in the 1800's who proposed invisible things living on our hands which causes sickness. They all called him crazy/stupid.

You are a very credulous person, but you've come to a good place to get that fixed. They didn't laugh at Einstein either, by the way.

That story about animals detecting earthquakes actually originated in China and was picked up by New Age types back in the 60's. It was easily debunked but these things will just never lie still.

 

[tusenfem]

Ofcourse, you can correlate almost anything with the sunspots.
Then again, if you don't have a model then correlations is definitely not causation.

 

[Haig]

Ofcourse, you can correlate almost anything with the sunspots.
Then again, if you don't have a model then correlations is definitely not causation.

There is a model

DOES THE SUN TRIGGER LARGE EARTHQUAKES?

Using more than 35 years of data from the Wilcox Solar Observatory at Stanford University and from the United States Geological Survey, a model was constructed using patterns discerned in the polar magnetic fields of the sun. These patterns in solar magnetism were informally observed to match with the occurrence of large earthquakes on our planet, so mathematical modeling was used to formally develop an algorithm describing those relationships.

Dr. Christopher Holloman’s team of researchers at The Ohio State University Statistical Consulting Service was able to construct a model that exhibited very strong agreement between solar magnetism patterns and the occurrence of large earthquakes. Formal testing of the model can only be performed by examining its performance over the next few years, but the agreement was sufficient to suggest that a relationship likely exists between solar polar fields, or magnetic fields associated with the north and south poles of the sun, and large earthquakes.

“The strong agreement of the model was surprising to everyone involved,” says Ben Davidson of KAHB, “but we have to understand the limitations of the analysis at this stage.” According to Davidson, this model is not predictive at this time; the analysis relies on data from the Wilcox Solar Observatory which requires at least 10 days to update past real-time, and is usually updated monthly. “The data is averaged in 10-day periods, so when a large earthquake happens, we still need to perform a retrospective analysis. What we have now is a rubric for gauging the correlations between these events into the future.”

“The most striking aspect of the model is that it is, for the most part, relatively simple,” says Dr. Holloman. “The patterns observed in the solar magnetic fields aren’t the result of applying some obscure mathematical functions. The algorithm is based on things like peaks and troughs in solar cycles or the absolute strength of one of the poles at a particular time. Such simple models are more often predictive than more complex models, and we are eager to see how the predictions play out over the next few years.”

 

[Haig]

M7 Quake, Sunspots Growing | S0 News May 5, 2015

Earthquake Hazards Program

These data update automatically every 30 minutes.
Last update: May 5, 2015 22:02:19 UTC

Landslide in Langtang Valley May 5, 2015

 

[Haig]

Then of course there is the Earthspot hypothesis ... I've posted this short 2 min video before but it's worth a second look

EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update]

 

[Reality Check]

There is a model

Wrong, Haig: The fantasies of a crank are not a model !

As usual we have the inability to understand the actual science (and even English!)from you, Haig.

Using more than 35 years of data from the Wilcox Solar Observatory at Stanford University and from the United States Geological Survey, a model was constructed using patterns discerned in the polar magnetic fields of the sun

This is an unpublished model of the polar magnetic fields of the sun.

 

[Reality Check]

...snipped crank video...Earthquake Hazards Program

Landslide in Langtang Valley May 5, 2015

Wow, Haig - you know that earthquakes are recorded but have the delusion that no one here knows that eatherquakes cause landslides !

 

[Reality Check]

Then of course there is the Earthspot hypothesis ... I've posted this short 2 min video before but it's worth a second look

Which is wrong, Haig - an obsession with crank videos is not worth even a first look !
In this case we have Ben Davidson stupidly "documenting" a fantasy that sunspots are similar to Earth storms within the first 12 seconds and that is all a rational person needs to hear.

 

[Haig]

Which is wrong, Haig - an obsession with crank videos is not worth even a first look !
In this case we have Ben Davidson stupidly "documenting" a fantasy that sunspots are similar to Earth storms within the first 12 seconds and that is all a rational person needs to hear.

Well RC I'm not surprised that you can't see how a "variable star" like our Sun could possibly have such an effect on our Earth as is being suggested/investigated on this thread ...

The Mobile Observatory Project 10/9/14


Earthquake and hurricane coupling is ascertained by ground-based laser interferometer and satellite observing techniques PDF


Signatures of ocean storms on seismic records in South China Sea and East China Sea

 

[tusenfem]

There is a model

DOES THE SUN TRIGGER LARGE EARTHQUAKES?

No that is not a model, that is just a complicated way of correlating A with B.
A real model would explain exactly HOW the sun triggers and earthquake, which I guess in the EU nonsense would be strong currents coming from the Sun and entering into the Earth, creating extra electrostatic stress on the plates and thus setting off the earthquake.

Did I get it right? Do I get a lollypop?

 

[Haig]

No that is not a model, that is just a complicated way of correlating A with B.
A real model would explain exactly HOW the sun triggers and earthquake, which I guess in the EU nonsense would be strong currents coming from the Sun and entering into the Earth, creating extra electrostatic stress on the plates and thus setting off the earthquake.

Did I get it right? Do I get a lollypop?

Why don't you take it up with Dr. Christopher Holloman’s team of researchers at The Ohio State University ?

My bold

“The most striking aspect of the model is that it is, for the most part, relatively simple,” says Dr. Holloman. “The patterns observed in the solar magnetic fields aren’t the result of applying some obscure mathematical functions. The algorithm is based on things like peaks and troughs in solar cycles or the absolute strength of one of the poles at a particular time. Such simple models are more often predictive than more complex models, and we are eager to see how the predictions play out over the next few years.”

 

[tusenfem]

Well RC I'm not surprised that you can't see how a "variable star" like our Sun could possibly have such an effect on our Earth as is being suggested/investigated on this thread ...

Neither can you, or else you would point us to a real model in which the how and what is explained.

Interestingly, on 25 April, the sun was almost spotless! And I do think there was a little quake somewhere.