Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

[aleCcowaN]

The title is right. Haig proposes earthquakes to be caused by solar activity. He might be right, he forewarned us about Villarrica, a Chilean volcano, a couple of hours ago an it has being erupting indeed since 3 a.m. local time, today.

This is a subject that deserves to be examined in a forum about scepticism in science. And I know he'll approve because he's so raring to discuss it that he drops info about it in the AGW and electric comet threads, all over the place:

Here some samples to start working:

How our Variable Star affects our Planet and climate

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M7 Earthquake, Sun is Waking Up | S0 News February 28, 2015

The important bit is this link between extreme events on the Sun and it's effects on Earth, like this:
EXTREME WEATHER AND EARTHQUAKE DANGER IMMINENT around 23rd-27th March warns Piers Corbyn

The very active solar region which emerged from the SE limb of the sun on the morning of 21st March is crackling with dangerous activity including extreme UV radiation and up to 50Mev proton bursts and its appearance along with other active regions on the sun fits our WeatherAction.com long-range WARNING for significant weather extremes and earthquakes in the period around 23rd-27th March, issued during February.

http://www.weatheraction.com/display....asp?a=328&c=5

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It's the Sun NOT us ! 3 Big Flares, Earthquake Watch | S0 News March 3, 2015

There are more to dig out, but I think this is enough to start a worthy debate.

 

[casebro]

There ought to be enough data on record to show a time line of flares and earthquakes/volcanoes.

Otherwise, I'm sure there is a name for predictions of things like "It's going to rain some where on earth TOMMORROW!!!!" And Hurricanes next fall!!!!!"

 

[MG1962]

There are more to dig out, but I think this is enough to start a worthy debate.

The problem the proponent of increased solar activity = increased geological activity is the massaging of data. Sure they will point to volcanic eruptions and earthquakes during flare events, but dont explain how the same events continue when there is no major solar activity

 

[aleCcowaN]

I completely agree with both of you, but yet we shouldn't let common sense to cloud our judgement nor factual evidence to overwhelm us (isn't this what wooers propose in a more concealed way?)

I wonder what solar events caused the Pinatubo climactic eruption back in 1991. I googled different combinations to no avail. Perhaps Haig or somebody sharing the same knowledge may provide that.

 

[MG1962]

I wonder what solar events caused the Pinatubo climactic eruption back in 1991.

Oh forget the Sun, that was caused by the coach of our local professional football team, told the supporters this season the team was going to move mountains. Obviously they did.

 

[CapelDodger]

Piers Corbyn, yet; there's a name I haven't heard for a while. It seems he still has one true believer left in Haig. That's Piers Corbyn the lunar tick, who announced that the world had already entered a long-term cooling-phase in 2007. Haig was all over that at the time.

"... significant weather extremes and earthquakes in the period around 23rd-27th March".

Stand by for some interesting definitions of "significant" come the end of March. Or complete silence on the subject.

 

[CapelDodger]

The problem the proponent of increased solar activity = increased geological activity is the massaging of data. Sure they will point to volcanic eruptions and earthquakes during flare events, but dont explain how the same events continue when there is no major solar activity

Indeed.

I'm now wondering just how unusual this solar activity actually is. Must look it up later.

 

[CapelDodger]

I wonder what solar events caused the Pinatubo climactic eruption back in 1991. I googled different combinations to no avail. Perhaps Haig or somebody sharing the same knowledge may provide that.

We can also look forward to an interesting discussion on attribution.

 

[aleCcowaN]

"... significant weather extremes and earthquakes in the period around 23rd-27th March".

That was in 2011, so we may check it:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/nndc/strut...ook=1&t=101650&s=1&submit_all=Search+Database

Wow, a major earthquake on March 24th! Wait, a far worse earthquake had happened on March 11th, days before he posted that. Did he care to explain that catastrophe?

Darn! Now we have to look for the Jeane Dixon effect.

 

[Haig]

Gezz aleCcowaN there is more to Solar Forcing than just 0.1 variability in TSI according to NASA

Pleeeeease! more like this one!

Sure, no problem ... from Sep 2013 is the one video that first got my attention on the possibility of such a connection ... 7.8 Earthquake: Pakistan - The Data, and Genesis of the Earthquake Watch

If there were more people like you, a bouncer job would be an easy one.

Ah! so think you are a "bouncer job" I guess that's the same as a "gatekeeper" Some job your doing then

What do you make of this 2011 paper published in Natural Science ?

Influences of solar cycles on earthquakes pdf


Coronal Holes and Earthquakes: if you are confused, you are new here.

For proof of power, you need only see how a coronal hole stream can do a 'CME impression' and cause Geomagnetic Storms. They also fire Alfvén Waves from their centres and according to NASA: do a better job transferring energy to the planets.

He is in good(?) company.

Praise indeed ! I feel vindicated in my humble efforts

They Want to Blame You - (A21CS Section 1.2)

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Haig - your links lack a certain je ne se quoit.

 

[Dancing David]

There ought to be enough data on record to show a time line of flares and earthquakes/volcanoes.

Otherwise, I'm sure there is a name for predictions of things like "It's going to rain some where on earth TOMMORROW!!!!" And Hurricanes next fall!!!!!"

Texas sharpshooter as well

 

[jonesdave116]

Hmmm. So we should expect to see an 11 year cycle in the number of earthquakes/volcanic eruptions then? Or perhaps a lessening of the aforesaid during such events as the Maunder minimum/ Little Ice Age? One may be surprised to learn that no such trends have been observed. In fact, the Little Ice Age saw an increase in volcanic activity (Causes of Climate Change Over the Past 1000 Years, Thomas J. Crowley, Science 14 July 2000: Vol. 289 no. 5477 pp. 270-277 DOI: 10.1126/science.289.5477.270). To an extent that some scientists think this may have had more to do with the observed cooling than the decrease in solar activity.
And, of course, the obvious fact that volcanoes don't suddenly erupt from a period of total quiescence, disturbed by some nasty solar flare. Monitoring will show a gradual increase in seismic activity as the the magma chamber fills for months/ years before the eruption. Same with earthquakes. Stress will build over very long periods of time before something finally gives. One poxy little solar flare is not going to push it over the edge.
As for Pakistan.....well, it's on a fault line. You see, once upon a time India collided with Asia, and it's still having effects.................the hell with it. I suspect geology lessons aren't going to help here.

 

[aleCcowaN]

You have to do better, Haig

Sure, no problem ... from Sep 2013 is the one video that first got my attention on the possibility of such a connection ... 7.8 Earthquake: Pakistan - The Data, and Genesis of the Earthquake Watch

Sorry, but provide a written version of the same notions. A version following approximately this structure:

a)we're gonna demonstrate this
b)now we demonstrate this
c)now we repeat the demonstrated item and tell what may follow from here

You may notice that I, like many here, am not interested in increasing counters in any of your web properties, but the ideas themselves and what proves them to be right or wrong.

What do you make of this 2011 paper published in Natural Science ?

Influences of solar cycles on earthquakes pdf

Sorry, but I have no access to your hard drive.

Coronal Holes and Earthquakes: if you are confused, you are new here.

Again, your web property and you basically say nothing there. It's like you try to prove that solar activity causes earthquakes by linking places where you say repeatedly "solar activity causes earthquake" and treat newcomers like they were looking elsewhere when something important happened.

Praise indeed ! I feel vindicated in my humble efforts

They Want to Blame You - (A21CS Section 1.2)

Sorry, youtu.be blocked in my system. Please, provide the original link.

 

[MG1962]

Stand by for some interesting definitions of "significant" come the end of March. Or complete silence on the subject.

It does not matter - He is on a winner no matter what. According to this site

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0197837.html

There are over 150 'strong Earthquakes' a year, nearly three a week.

According to this site

http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/volcanic-eruptions

There are 50 to 60 volcanic eruptions a year.

According to this site

http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/volcanic-eruptions

There are 70-110 tropical storms a year, 60 of which reach hurricane strength.

So my suggestion is it will be more unusual if something does not happen during the time period quoted.

 

[Reality Check]

Gezz aleCcowaN ...

As aleCcowaN notes: a post totally lacking science or evidence for your hypothesis and that merely cites a crank is not promising, Haig.

 

[casebro]

Hmmm. So we should expect to see an 11 year cycle in the number of earthquakes/volcanic eruptions then? Or perhaps a lessening of the aforesaid during such events as the Maunder minimum/ Little Ice Age? One may be surprised to learn that no such trends have been observed. In fact, the Little Ice Age saw an increase in volcanic activity (Causes of Climate Change Over the Past 1000 Years, Thomas J. Crowley, Science 14 July 2000: Vol. 289 no. 5477 pp. 270-277 DOI: 10.1126/science.289.5477.270). To an extent that some scientists think this may have had more to do with the observed cooling than the decrease in solar activity.
And, of course, the obvious fact that volcanoes don't suddenly erupt from a period of total quiescence, disturbed by some nasty solar flare. Monitoring will show a gradual increase in seismic activity as the the magma chamber fills for months/ years before the eruption. Same with earthquakes. Stress will build over very long periods of time before something finally gives. One poxy little solar flare is not going to push it over the edge.
As for Pakistan.....well, it's on a fault line. You see, once upon a time India collided with Asia, and it's still having effects.................the hell with it. I suspect geology lessons aren't going to help here.

We know a huge volcano can bring about a global winter. I haven't heard that the Warmers have looked into, not the absence of huge volcanoes, but the quantity of small-to-mediums? Perhaps we have been having a 150 year long spell of lower total volcanic activity?

 

[Lennart Hyland]

Nothing more than three youtube links? Impressive.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Nothing more than three youtube links? Impressive.

This thread is still young ...

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Hmmm. So we should expect to see an 11 year cycle in the number of earthquakes/volcanic eruptions then? Or perhaps a lessening of the aforesaid during such events as the Maunder minimum/ Little Ice Age? One may be surprised to learn that no such trends have been observed. In fact, the Little Ice Age saw an increase in volcanic activity (Causes of Climate Change Over the Past 1000 Years, Thomas J. Crowley, Science 14 July 2000: Vol. 289 no. 5477 pp. 270-277 DOI: 10.1126/science.289.5477.270). To an extent that some scientists think this may have had more to do with the observed cooling than the decrease in solar activity.
And, of course, the obvious fact that volcanoes don't suddenly erupt from a period of total quiescence, disturbed by some nasty solar flare. Monitoring will show a gradual increase in seismic activity as the the magma chamber fills for months/ years before the eruption. Same with earthquakes. Stress will build over very long periods of time before something finally gives. One poxy little solar flare is not going to push it over the edge.
As for Pakistan.....well, it's on a fault line. You see, once upon a time India collided with Asia, and it's still having effects.................the hell with it. I suspect geology lessons aren't going to help here.

Thanks for this post. And welcome to the Forum.

Many Solar Cycles ago there was a poster to the late lamented Usenet Group sci.skeptic who used to post earthquake predictions that were uniformly, consistently, and utterly always wrong. Consistently amusing in his twisting and turn to justify each failed prediction though.

If you Goggle for >correlation between earthquakes and solar flares< you can see that any number of credible organizations have run the numbers and there isn't one.