Everything, are you denying that in certain atmospheres you act differently? I know I don't scream as loud in a movie theater as I do in my local laser tag arena. You are more prone to turn your weapon from concealed to not concealed in an atmosphere that you feel would condone it, and inhibitions are lowered when consuming.
1) NO ATMOSPHERE condones it, with perhaps the exception that Cleon listed. That entire sentence is flawed.
2) Inhibitions may be lowered when consuming. Consumption is not limited to bars.
First off, did I say it should be illegal? My main gripe was with the school atmosphere, which despite theprestige's example, I still think is completely stupid.
If that's your gripe, then why are you picking up the banner on bars?
Then again, that is my opinion, no one has to agree with it. However, the cornerstone of my point is that guns and alcohol don't mix, so if you decide to take that out of the mix then this whole conversation is stupid in and of itself. It's a bar, where alcohol is served, and it's a gun. I mean, duh? If something should happen there is a much higher chance of someone getting injured in a packed bar than a gun holder being drunk and stupid in his living room. Those people around him in a bar then have an increased chance of injury due to something that is out of their control.
And again, I will reiterate what I have already said a couple of times: guns and alcohol don't mix, I agree. HOWEVER... and here's the point you seem to be willfully ignoring... prohibiting concealed carry in bars does NOT prevent people from mixing alcohol and guns, not in any reasonable fashion.
A person who is carrying concealed can order alcohol in any restaurant that serves alcohol. They can drink at private residences.
It is trivially easy to acquire and imbibe alcohol if you are carrying concealed.
1) Hundreds, even thousands, of ccl holders go to restaurants every day and somehow manage to forego alcohol because they are carrying and they believe that alcohol and guns don't mix.
2) Many bars nowadays are gastropubs or otherwise serve very good food. Many people go to venues classified as bars for social gatherings that are NOT predominantly about getting totally ripped up drunk.
3) Prohibiting ccl holders from carrying in bars does NOT prevent them from having access to alcohol. It does NOT prevent them from getting drunk if they so wish. It does NOT prevent alcohol-related shooting from occurring.
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You are stating that it's poor logic, and that is your opinion. Don't present it as fact. Just because you don't see that different atmospheres inspire different actions means absolutely nothing to me.
No, I'm stating that it's poor logic that you are calling me a liar about something that you are very, very obviously failing to follow. Let me quote this for you again. I'll even trim out all the bits that might lead to your continuing confusion, and add one small bit of clarification in an attempt to make this crystal clear to you.
Here are the elements of interest in this particular exchange:
In most states, if you brandish or discharge your weapon while under the influence of alcohol, you automatically lose your carry permit. In my state, I believe you forfeit your firearm as well, and face criminal charges.
Whether you imbibed at a bar, at a restaurant over dinner, or in your own home, is really rather irrelevant to the police.
You stating it's irrelevant is a blatant lie though, even if it's justified in your head.
And for the record: your poor logic does not imply that I am dishonest. I find your insult highly offensive and unjustified. In WA, if you discharge your firearm while under the influence, it is completely irrelevant to the cops where you did your drinking. You still lose your license and your firearm and face criminal charges. Not a lie, and you owe me an apology.
You are stating that it's poor logic, and that is your opinion. Don't present it as fact.
Now. Can you follow the trail on this, and do you understand why I might be offended that you've called me a liar? And do you see why I've said it is your logic that is in error on this one?
