Georgia has new gun law.

[Tricky]

Here's a responsible Georgia citizen exercising his new right to carry.

 

[Cleon]

Here's a responsible Georgia citizen exercising his new right to carry.

The bolded word does not belong. From the article:

"We support the constitutional right to bear arms. We will not tolerate bad behavior," said Forsyth Sheriff Duane Piper.

The director of Georgia Carry, a gun rights and lobbying organization, also questioned what the man was trying to do.

"There's a right and a wrong way to exercise your right. This is not the right way," said Georgia Carry Executive Director Jerry Henry.

Rabb said she, too, is a gun rights advocate.

"I own a gun. I have no problems with the Second Amendment. But they do not belong in a parking lot where we have children everywhere. If you want to make a statement, go to the Capitol," said Rabb.

For those unaware, Forsyth County is just to the north of Atlanta, and has politics somewhere to the right of the John Birch Society. Georgia Carry generally thinks the NRA are too soft on gun rights.

When you're pissing these people off, you're not being a responsible gun owner.

 

[Ranb]

The word responsible as applied to the discussion of some people is used by certain forum members here who want to exploit ignorance, prejudice and fear to make their point. Apparently it is too much to ask of them to use reason and evidence to make their point on a forum devoted discussing skepticism in a friendly way.

http://m.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-gun-causes-scare-during-childrens-baseball-gam/nfhJS/ From the link;

Parents at a Forysth County park....

Does not seem to be school property.

Currently GA law 16-11-127.1 says in part;

(b) (1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, it shall be unlawful for any person to carry to or to possess or have under such person's control while within a school safety zone or at a school building, school function, or school property or on a bus or other transportation furnished by the school any weapon or explosive compound, other than fireworks the possession of which is regulated by Chapter 10 of Title 25.

As far as I know GA HB60 amends this part of the statute to allow certain other authorized persons to carry a firearm on school property. I've read that HB60 goes into effect on July 1st. The article is dated April 24th. No mention is made of any new law allowing a person to carry pistol into a County park.

Tricky, what makes you think anything in your post (#121) is true? Is there anything new about this jerk's right to carry at a county park in Georgia?

Ranb

 

[Tricky]

I should have used a sarcasm smilie. It was meant to illustrate what sort of people this law emboldens.

 

[Ranb]

Nice backpedaling. Reminds me of your "rocket launchers are illegal" claim.

Ranb

 

[Old man]

...If you don't understand the premise of what I was saying then you better apologize.

I understood what you were saying (i.e. "most people go to a bar to get drunk").

It wasn't aimed at anyone,

Of course not, it was aimed at everyone who goes to bars (which, by the way, includes Emily's Cat, my friends, and me).

but if you're disagreeing with the fact that most people go to a bar to get drunk then...whatever I guess. I don't really care about your specific situation.

Evidence?

 

[lomiller]

The bolded word does not belong. From the article:

Why would it need to The point being made is clearly that the law is promoting and protecting irresponsible gun ownership.

When you're pissing these people off, you're not being a responsible gun owner.

And yet the law protects the actions in question...


Worth noting however is that it's not att all unusualy for people that get so worked up about their own rights to want to restrict any/every expression of those same rights that they don't personally exercise.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Nice backpedaling. Reminds me of your "rocket launchers are illegal" claim.

Ranb

What argument did you think he was making?

 

[Ranb]

What argument did you think he was making?

Tricky appeared to be arguing that open carry at a county park was a right newly granted by the state of Georgia. It is obvious to anyone who has read the statute that his claim was not true. It is enough that he criticized the bozo that was alarming the kids and their parents at the event; he didn't need to embellish it with a claim that made no sense at all.

Have you read the bill and the statutes it amends or are you satisfied that the Senate Research Office report you linked to is actually the law?

Ranb

 

[Ranb]

The point being made is clearly that the law is promoting and protecting irresponsible gun ownership.

Are you sure? The police were called and showed up. They said the man was not breaking any laws so they couldn't arrest him. Unless these people had never seen an armed man before, it seems strange that they got so worked up about it. However twenty-two 911 calls seem to be cause for concern by the police unless it was some sort of mass hysteria.

GA law does not actually promote irresponsible gun ownership. Had the police felt the man was a threat to order, they could have detained him for something other than making people upset by walking around with a gun strapped to his hip.

16-11-36 prohibits loitering or prowling. Causing serious public inconvenience can be enough for a person to be arrested for threats per 16-11-37. Disorderly conduct per 16-11-39 is rather broad also. I guess it would depend upon how they define tumultuous.

Depending on whose view you believe, the police did or did not have a good reason to arrest the guy.

Ranb

 

[Quad4_72]

So the assertion of the OP is that when this law passes, there will be a huge spike in gun violence, even though states that already have similar laws in place do not have huge amounts of gun violence...what am I missing here?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Tricky appeared to be arguing that open carry at a county park was a right newly granted by the state of Georgia.

Weird. I thought he was just linking to a story about some guy that scared people with his gun.

 

[AlBell]

The Georgia Senate just wants to ensure that when Atlanta falls in the upcoming zombie apocalypse, it's citizens are properly armed to protect themselves.

Zombie! That will soon be on the proscribed lists.

 

[thaiboxerken]

So the assertion of the OP is that when this law passes, there will be a huge spike in gun violence, even though states that already have similar laws in place do not have huge amounts of gun violence...what am I missing here?

Not a huge spike. I predict that gun violence and accidents will increase.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

So the assertion of the OP is that when this law passes, there will be a huge spike in gun violence, even though states that already have similar laws in place do not have huge amounts of gun violence...what am I missing here?

Maybe you're lachrymose intolerant.

 

[Ranb]

Weird. I thought he was just linking to a story about some guy that scared people with his gun.

Yes there was a link. But his post also contained the claim, "Here's a responsible Georgia citizen exercising his new right to carry." I guess you missed those words? You started this thread to discuss HB60, a bill that would amend portions of the GA code. It appeared that Tricky wanted us to believe HB60 had already gone into effect on April 24th and that the man was exercising a new right instead of one that is existing prior to passage of HB60.

Nothing has yet happened that would demonstrate HB60 is or is not a bad idea.

Ranb

 

[thaiboxerken]

Oh. The "new" part was something that I didn't let bother me at all. I was more fixated on the crazy of the gun guy.

 

[Tricky]

Tricky appeared to be arguing that open carry at a county park was a right newly granted by the state of Georgia. It is obvious to anyone who has read the statute that his claim was not true. It is enough that he criticized the bozo that was alarming the kids and their parents at the event; he didn't need to embellish it with a claim that made no sense at all.

Have you read the bill and the statutes it amends or are you satisfied that the Senate Research Office report you linked to is actually the law?

Ranb

Really? Can you point out where I said that? All I pointed out is that crazies are celebrating now. Do you honestly think that this incident had nothing to do, at least in the mind of the perpetrator, with the law that was passed two days earlier?

Are you going to have a hayride with all that straw you have on hand?

 

[WildCat]

Evidence?

The organization: John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Substitute "Philip Morris" for "Bloomberg" and make it a tobacco study and you'll see what I mean. And the Joyce Foundation, which funded it, is very anti-gun.

These groups doing a study that concludes "guns are bad, m'kay" is as surprising as a study funded and published by tobacco interests that concludes smoking isn't really so bad.

 

[WildCat]

Wildcat's objection to the study was akin to rejecting government-funded science because you dislike the government. It had more to do with prejudice than skepticism.

If Wildcat wants others to share his rejection of the study's conclusions, he should identify problems with the study.

I did identify problems with the study. It cherry picked data and then formulated a conclusion based on correlation=causation.

It avoided any research that would have illustrated the issue far more clearly, such as studying the sources of guns used in homicides before and after the change in law.