Dr. MAS - Please use this thread to explain homeopathy to us

[Kumar]

Hmm, some more nonsense that you believe in!


You tend to forget that although many homoeopaths have tried to teach us, it has invariably turned out that we already knew more about homoeopathy than the homoeopaths. Maybe they should pop over more often to be taught a lesson?

That may be main problem due to modern gifts. Student think/interact as he know more than teacher, childern think as they are more clever than father, youngers think same about elders--I think this indicate modern progress--as we have introduced many new theories by rejecting old/ancient/experianced/time-tested ones.

Look at the example: Ashels requested by posting this topic;

Dr. MAS - Please use this thread to explain homeopathy to us

Dr.Mas started explaining. Many people said, we already know or provided links that teachings are available on these links. ....How then anything can progress? If you know much of homeopathy & say so to him, he may then start taking your tests by asking deep homeopathic questions. Then????? Are you ready?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Mr. Hans,

Frankly, I don't find that clear and relevant questions have been asked.

Well, Kumar, somehow that does not surprise me one bit .

Moreover, will you people believe/accept Dr. Mas or other person knowing homeopathy's tellings alike teacher's word?

Suppose, I or Dr. Mas says that homeopathy works in experiance in mass public, whatever may be its working science, will you accept that alike teacher's words without doubt or scepticism in that?

Why should we? Do you believe US as teachers when we say that all your theories are wrong?

I doubt there can be any real teacher of skeptics, because teacher's words can be alike God's words so need not to be doubted/disbelieved. How then you will accept Dr.Mas words as words of a teacher?

I will accept Dr. MAS's words as teacher the moment he presents some useful evidence. I will even start to respect him a little when or if he says something that makes a bit of sense.

He may just want to check/ensure that, really if, you are dedicated students or not, or if, you are just skeptics?

If by dedicated students you mean sheep ready to believe anything they are told, he will find none here. Not even you .

Will it was not be better to clear your position/entity alike this;

"Dr. Mas/or any other,

we belive in scepticism. We have read some homeopathy & more science, so not just the students. As per results & conclusions of various scientific tests & studies, carried over as yet, it is observed that homeopathy doesn't work & can't work in accordance with modern technology/science. However, some unclear effects are noted in some studies AND it is widely claimed by hiomeopathic community that it effects. Science/we feel unclear effects or whatever claimed is just a placebo effect not pharmacological effects of remedies.

As we welcome new research & curious about it due to its mass presence, pls satisfy us by showing scientific working & effects of homeopathic remedies--if you can. Thanks. "

Which is essentially what we have done.

Wouldn't this much reply progressed this subject immediately?

It certainly does not seem so. Nobody, not Dr. MAS, not you, not anybody else could have any doubt that we are skeptics. That we will not accept unfounded claims. That we will demand evidence, every bit of the way. All we get is silly stalling and hand-waving.

Hans

 

[Gaga]

I think you are not reading all postings. I already made it clear. However, I edited & added some more to my last post.

I've seen what you added,
spelling aside, outline the difference between your question and what all other members have been asking since the beginning...

Why you make teachers alike that or how you are previously skeptics in teachers also that, he will/can teach like that. Do you finds/expect teacher as a mad person, who will teach you like this? Is this your assesment about teacher or your scepticism? First pls decide right teacher then accept what he says, good or bad as a student can't assess, real intention behind teacher's tellings.

Because teachers are human beings, they can be wrong. Some of them can be terribly wrong... For some people it take ages to get rid of the stupid things they learned as kids. Since I'm no more a kid, I can indipentently (sp?) check the informations I receive from teachers.

Btw, have/could you learn anything about homeopathy as yetv with so much time devotion?

Yes, I've learned a lot about homeopathy (that confirms my previous uneducated opinion) and I learned a lot more about homeopaths (that's sad news)

 

[Kumar]

Mr. Hans,

Then you are not a student. You are then a debator, a courious person, or sharer of discussions or teller--not a student. Then, suppose Dr.Mas wan't to take test about your knowledge as a sharer(just a slag word) or teller, are you ready for that?

Rest I cleared in my next other two postings. I am a sharer or teller having some parellel understandings about any aspect--not just a stusent most of the times. Many times I do accept as a stusent so indicate it by thanking etc.

Btw, a question as a student;

Denaturing is related to protiens/ larger molecules & alcohol.

Can water, alcohol, lactose be denatured? Whether carbohydrate metabolism tells us denaturing of gulucose?

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip* Ashels requested by posting this topic;

Dr. MAS - Please use this thread to explain homeopathy to us

Dr.Mas started explaining. Many people said, we already know or provided links that teachings are available on these links. ....How then anything can progress?

He did not start explaining. He just re-iterated the old basic claims of homeopathy. We do know all that. Read this. That was written over a year ago. What MAS is doing is like walking into a college math class and begin teaching kinedergarten arithmetics. No wonder we don't respect him as a teacher. You know, to be respected by his students, a teacher must respect his students.

If you know much of homeopathy & say so to him, he may then start taking your tests by asking deep homeopathic questions. Then????? Are you ready?

Ehhh? No. WE are asking the questions here, mate. MAS is the one who claimed to have the answers, remember?

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Mr. Hans,

Then you are not a student. You are then a debator, a courious person, or sharer of discussions or teller--not a student.

I am both. If there is something to study, I study. When I know enough to debate, I debate. I feel confident I studied homeopathy enough to be able to debate, but if MAS (or anybody else) can tell me something I did not know about homeopathy, I am a willing listener.

Then, suppose Dr.Mas wan't to take test about your knowledge as a sharer(just a slag word) or teller, are you ready for that?

But, he doesn't do that, now does he? All he does is being condescending.

Rest I cleared in my next other two postings. I am a sharer or teller having some parellel understandings about any aspect--not just a stusent most of the times. Many times I do accept as a stusent so indicate it by thanking etc.

No you are not. Because you have no understandings. You are just fabulating. Sorry, but that is how it is. And you may give thanks, but you never take heed.

Btw, a question as a student;

Denaturing is related to protiens/ larger molecules & alcohol.

Can water, alcohol, lactose be denatured? Whether carbohydrate metabolism tells us denaturing of gulucose?

What do you mean by "denature"?

Hans

 

[Kumar]

I've seen what you added,
spelling aside, outline the difference between your question and what all other members have been asking since the beginning...

Why it is persisting? Think about the resonings, unbiased.



Because teachers are human beings, they can be wrong. Some of them can be terribly wrong... For some people it take ages to get rid of the stupid things they learned as kids. Since I'm no more a kid, I can indipentently (sp?) check the informations I receive from teachers.

How a student can decide it. Student in any aspect means, he does not know that aspect. Persisting of stupidity can be due to addiction of scepticism. Homeopathy presenting effects since ages. Skeptics don't/can't believe it even told repeatedly-- which may be a reality or a weakness/miss of science. They are treated as persistant stupid in homeopathic sense & getting its benefits/loosing otherwise for not opting it. Rest is all modern problem/gift.



Yes, I've learned a lot about homeopathy (that confirms my previous uneducated opinion) and I learned a lot more about homeopaths (that's sad news)

Yet your listening/understanding/learning not yet "absolute" it. Suppose you learn at some later date with new research that it works too in science, will you be not a looser/sufferer of not opting it OR opting other crude means.

 

[Kumar]

He did not start explaining. He just re-iterated the old basic claims of homeopathy. We do know all that. Read this. That was written over a year ago. What MAS is doing is like walking into a college math class and begin teaching kinedergarten arithmetics. No wonder we don't respect him as a teacher. You know, to be respected by his students, a teacher must respect his students.

Then things in open forums may not be from page one, but can be from randomly selected pages also.


Ehhh? No. WE are asking the questions here, mate. MAS is the one who claimed to have the answers, remember? Hans

He should then be satisfied on that, you will respect, understand, accept those replies, not just throw in dustbin due to homeopathic allergy. Pls keep in inner pocket that, science has yet to understand in science 'most prime force or prime one force of everything & being'. So just store the things in your pendings not in dustbins.

 

[Gaga]

Why it is persisting? Think about the resonings, unbiased.

non sequitur. You didn't addressed what I said, go back and read again.

How a student can decide it. Student in any aspect means, he does not know that aspect.

nonsense. If the teacher makes a claim unsupported I have all the right to ask for evidence. Teaching is about communication, not hammering concept in student's heads

Persisting of stupidity can be due to addiction of scepticism.

I'll pretend I didn't see this

Homeopathy presenting effects since ages. Skeptics don't/can't believe it even told repeatedly-- which may be a reality or a weakness/miss of science. They are treated as persistant stupid in homeopathic sense & getting its benefits/loosing otherwise for not opting it. Rest is all modern problem/gift.

same old... again and again and again... but you're welcome to repeat it till your face turns blue.

Yet your listening/understanding/learning not yet "absolute" it. Suppose you learn at some later date with new research that it works too in science, will you be not a looser/sufferer of not opting it OR opting other crude means.

Are you implying that I should start using homeopathy, 'just in case'? Then I should also put acorns on my roof just in case a pig flying by decides to take a break...

 

[Kumar]

I am both. If there is something to study, I study. When I know enough to debate, I debate. I feel confident I studied homeopathy enough to be able to debate, but if MAS (or anybody else) can tell me something I did not know about homeopathy, I am a willing listener.

Ok justified reply. Since you know much about homeopathy, pls commit, what are the experiances & observations of mass existing & well distributed homeopathic community about its effects/working?

But, he doesn't do that, now does he? All he does is being condescending.

Because people wanted to learn. If they would have told that we know homeopathy & we have these doubts, he would then had taken some test to check it?

No you are not. Because you have no understandings. You are just fabulating. Sorry, but that is how it is. And you may give thanks, but you never take heed.

That is why you(?) don't get relies & just wonder in circles. Dr.Mas also don't want similar comments in future looking at previous experiances of homeopaths tried to tell you. BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST PRECONVINCED ON NOT YET ABSOLUTE.

Denaturing is related to protiens/ larger molecules & alcohol.

Can water, alcohol, lactose be denatured? Whether carbohydrate metabolism tells us denaturing of gulucose?

What do you mean by "denature"?

To change the nature or natural qualities of water, lactose, alcoho by any shape or structural change?

Somewhat alike these definitions;
http://www.answers.com/denaturing&r=67

 

[steenkh]

Originally posted by Kumar
How a student can decide it. Student in any aspect means, he does not know that aspect.

Until now, "Dr." MAS has not touched an aspect we do not know.

Persisting of stupidity can be due to addiction of scepticism.

There can be many reasons for persistence og stupidity. A more common one is gullibilty

Homeopathy presenting effects since ages. Skeptics don't/can't believe it even told repeatedly-- which may be a reality or a weakness/miss of science.

Homoeopathy has not been presenting effects since ages any more than e.g. astrology, which I assume you also believe in! As you should know, skeptics do not believe merely because thay are told, but facts have to be present also.

They are treated as persistant stupid in homeopathic sense & getting its benefits/loosing otherwise for not opting it. Rest is all modern problem/gift.

I do not understand a word what you say here.

 

[Kumar]

non sequitur. You didn't addressed what I said, go back and read again.

mean all my previous posts.

nonsense. If the teacher makes a claim unsupported I have all the right to ask for evidence. Teaching is about communication, not hammering concept in student's heads

How a student can justify/understand that a teaching is wrong? Do he know every such thing in advance? (However I feel every one knows everything as logics, because GOD is "omnipresent & omniscient" active or inactive is the only differene).

I'll pretend I didn't see this

Addictives do not usually accept addictions.

same old... again and again and again... but you're welcome to repeat it till your face turns blue.

May be true so persisting. Afterwords others can repeat.

Are you implying that I should start using homeopathy, 'just in case'? Then I should also put acorns on my roof just in case a pig flying by decides to take a break...

Just your choice by balancing all aspects in reality not in addictions.

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
Then things in open forums may not be from page one, but can be from randomly selected pages also.

Yes. If the participants are familiar with the whole book. The reason YOU were told to start at page one is that you obviously need it.


So just store the things in your pendings not in dustbins.

Oh, I do. But there is a condition: They must make sense. If you store everything indiscriminately in your inner pocket, it will soon be just like the dustbin.

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Yes. If the participants are familiar with the whole book. The reason YOU were told to start at page one is that you obviously need it.

Just your views only. You have not come from homeopathic community.

Oh, I do. But there is a condition: They must make sense. If you store everything indiscriminately in your inner pocket, it will soon be just like the dustbin. Hans

Just your views. Till it become dusbin case, keep it in your store room & wait. Don't decide & act in advance.

 

[steenkh]

Just your views only. You have not come from homeopathic community.

Your argument would have merit if Hans had ever shown a lack of knowledge in homoeopathy. As it stands, it is just an appeal to authority. Hans' arguments cannot be put aside just because he has not the fine but worthless degrees of "Dr." MAS.

OK, Hans, I am sorry I mixed in, but I will leave him to you again!

 

[MRC_Hans]

No worries, mate. I was done with him anyway.

Edited to add: The ironic thing about this is that Kumar's own grasp of homeopathy is only marginally better than his grasp of science.

Hans

 

[Gaga]

I'm sorry Kumar, I give up.
I lack the time, the patience and the lingustic skills to get my points through your skull.

MRC_Hans, (and all the others of course) you have all my admiration

 

[Kumar]

No worries, mate. I was done with him anyway.

Edited to add: The ironic thing about this is that Kumar's own grasp of homeopathy is only marginally better than his grasp of science.

Hans

??

I care/understand for the limit of one brain. So I am pro-brain's capacity knowledge of maximum use to me'.

I don't know scientifically, how one brain can handle/remember, thousands of healing substances, lacs of theories, lacs of diseases, billions of individuals, daily changes....."so many & too much" in just 10/15 minutes to examine & apply for justified treatment/cure? Is it scientific or paranormal?

On the other side, I feel/assess that; just complete understanding of 12 remedies under TRS may mostly make a man alike GOD.

Just to check;

What is true meaning of "cure" as per homeopathic theory?

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
Just to check;

What is true meaning of "cure" as per homeopathic theory?

Nice try, Kumar .

No, I won't bite.

Hans

 

[Donks]

I don't know scientifically, how one brain can handle/remember, thousands of healing substances, lacs of theories, lacs of diseases, billions of individuals, daily changes....."so many & too much" in just 10/15 minutes to examine & apply for justified treatment/cure? Is it scientific or paranormal?

What's a "lac"? Could you convert it to a metric or imperial unit? Why would a brain have to remember thousands of healing substances? Why 10/15 minutes? Is what paranormal, memory?

On the other side, I feel/assess that; just complete understanding of 12 remedies under TRS may mostly make a man alike GOD.

So if you don't understand it, then it doesn't work? If you do, then it's "absolute," makes you "alike god," and it works?