Dr. MAS - Please use this thread to explain homeopathy to us

[Ashles]

I was trying to grab a morsel of explanation - I went away hungry.

60 posts in this explanation thread, and not a single shred of scientific information provided by a homeopath.]

Still it appears that Dr. MAS thrives more on controversy than actual scientific knowledge.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Looking over today's flurry of posts you know what I'm reminded of? An ant hill. Dr. MAS came around, proded the ant hill with a stick, we came out wildly trying to bite whatever we encountered, and he went away again.

It's a fair point. I think each of us wants to make their own comment on his cowardice and deceitfulness, which is perversely the exact reaction that a teenage troll might regard as a victory. However, if we do not post, what would be the result? Just another thread that quietly drifts down the list of active topics and disappears from view forever. I think it is more useful to keep a thread like this active and remind lurkers that homeopaths are liars and frauds.

 

[Donks]

It's a fair point. I think each of us wants to make their own comment on his cowardice and deceitfulness, which is perversely the exact reaction that a teenage troll might regard as a victory. However, if we do not post, what would be the result? Just another thread that quietly drifts down the list of active topics and disappears from view forever. I think it is more useful to keep a thread like this active and remind lurkers that homeopaths are liars and frauds.

I think you may have missunderstood me. I wasn't saying we shouldn't post. I was just saying I feel like we are beeing played with.

 

[Rolfe]

I think you may have missunderstood me. I wasn't saying we shouldn't post. I was just saying I feel like we are beeing played with.

I think you're right.

I was mulling over two things at the weekend. First, why do I respond to Mas and his lackeys? I don't have the slightest expectation that he'll come up with anything remotely credible. However, I think I'm genuinely curious to find out what he thinks, and to see whether it might be possible to show him where he's got the wrong end of the stick (if indeed he has). Call it masochism, but I was genuinely hoping for a debate that might if nothing else deal in more reality than Kumar's witless speculations.

Second, why did Mas come here in the first instance? I honestly thought he really did have an explanation for an effect of ultramolar remedies that he thought was credible. And that he wanted to present it to us. But now, no, that can't be so. I think he just wanted to come here and strut his overblown self-esteem and maybe bask in some hero-worship from Kumar, while talking down to us and saying precisely nothing.

Kumar said earlier on that Mas's silence might be the silence before a storm, and that he was about to speak with the authority of a storm. I don't know where that went. I think he's just a troll.

Rolfe.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

I was trying to grab a morsel of explanation - I went away hungry.

60 posts in this explanation thread, and not a single shred of scientific information provided by a homeopath.]

Still it appears that Dr. MAS thrives more on controversy than actual scientific knowledge.

I think, we should fillout the criteria and may not allowed him to escape. I believe he has no answer.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I think you're right.

I was mulling over two things at the weekend. First, why do I respond to Mas and his lackeys? I don't have the slightest expectation that he'll come up with anything remotely credible. However, I think I'm genuinely curious to find out what he thinks, and to see whether it might be possible to show him where he's got the wrong end of the stick (if indeed he has). Call it masochism, but I was genuinely hoping for a debate that might if nothing else deal in more reality than Kumar's witless speculations.

Second, why did Mas come here in the first instance? I honestly thought he really did have an explanation for an effect of ultramolar remedies that he thought was credible. And that he wanted to present it to us. But now, no, that can't be so. I think he just wanted to come here and strut his overblown self-esteem and maybe bask in some hero-worship from Kumar, while talking down to us and saying precisely nothing.

Kumar said earlier on that Mas's silence might be the silence before a storm, and that he was about to speak with the authority of a storm. I don't know where that went. I think he's just a troll.

Rolfe.

Like you I thought we might get a homeopath to attempt seriously to defend his views and it would be interesting to post the counter-arguments. Instead we have this pattern of evasion and bizarre appeals to authority.

The whole pattern of behaviour is very odd for a real person, but not odd for a troll. However, if MAS is a troll, in the sense of being someone masquerading on an internet forum he has a very well-developed back-story. I doubt that he is a spotty teenager from Des Moines, so is not a troll in the correct sense, but morally and intellectually he is a troll.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Yeah, I had expected MUCH better from Dr. MAs, too. He seemed to appreciate logic arguing. Well, maybe he does, only he considers it strictly a spectator sport.

Hans

 

[AOK Tiger]

Ashles,

I don’t often do this but I am going to quote myself… from about post 10 of this very thread.

I admire your fortitude but surely you gathered from the other threads that this idiot is not going to provide you with even an inkling of a constructive argument.

He was only ever here trying to make a lame woo point that we sceptics cannot disprove a negative… like duhhh.

If he actually used some small part of his pea sized brain to look at homeopathy realistically he would abandon it !

Ahem.. I think some.. “I told you so’s” are in order

 

[H3LL]

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[Kumar]

I think you're right.

I was mulling over two things at the weekend. First, why do I respond to Mas and his lackeys? I don't have the slightest expectation that he'll come up with anything remotely credible. However, I think I'm genuinely curious to find out what he thinks, and to see whether it might be possible to show him where he's got the wrong end of the stick (if indeed he has). Call it masochism, but I was genuinely hoping for a debate that might if nothing else deal in more reality than Kumar's witless speculations.

Second, why did Mas come here in the first instance? I honestly thought he really did have an explanation for an effect of ultramolar remedies that he thought was credible. And that he wanted to present it to us. But now, no, that can't be so. I think he just wanted to come here and strut his overblown self-esteem and maybe bask in some hero-worship from Kumar, while talking down to us and saying precisely nothing.

Kumar said earlier on that Mas's silence might be the silence before a storm, and that he was about to speak with the authority of a storm. I don't know where that went. I think he's just a troll.

Rolfe.

Before thinking & commenting otherwise, you can also think about circles & TTTT commonly created by you. How a point in circle can cover/look at whole circle. There are around 10/15 somehat similar postings & moreover TTTT, against one posting. How one can cover & reply to all. However, If relevant or of his interest or productive, one can think to put extra effors to cover maximum unless not. Just try to reply/ask him in few specific, yes or no type posts.

If I would have had to reply to his y/day post, I would have mentioned:-

1. Pls prove pharmacological effects below 24X(24X is relevant not 18X) as active substance is too low.

2. Pls prove how remedies can effects above 24X as least/no molecular presence is being calculated.

3. 18X is too low for cyanide. Moreover, one can't take chance for any mistake in making remedy in highly toxic based remedies. So pls suggest other least toxic remedy (don't say only cyanide remedies are relevant).

These three sentances would have progressed the discussions, materialistically. But we have already wasted 32 days & still wasting by wondering just in circles of TTTT.

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*

These three sentances would have progressed the discussions, materialistically. But we have already wasted 32 days & still wasting by wondering just in circles of TTTT.

Nonsense, Kumar (as usual). Just read the threads; clear and relevant questions have been asked. Even if they hadn't, what would keep MAS from making explanations? He claims to be a teacher for crying out loud! Have you ever encountered a teacher who refused to teach till the right questions were asked?



....Come to think of it, maybe YOU have .


Hans

 

[clarsct]

Hmmm. I do have a question that I hope may be answered here.

Recently I bought a potentsized substance from a known homeopath for back pain. The thing is, I also happened to have some of the regular, unpotentsized stuff laying around and my fiancee put them both away. Now I have two distinct supplies, but I do not know which is which. So, beings as we have such distinguished practitioners, I was wondering, How do I tell which is which. I do not wish to be without my medicine, and have an active interest in this subject, perhaps for my own knowledge. I have a good understanding and can do the dilutions myself.

But how do I tell which is which?

 

[clarsct]

WAIT! I think I found the beginnings of a real response!!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=56765

He put it in education!! It's nothing we didn't already know and as condescending as an American Billionaire, but it is there.

Maybe we may get a straight answer....

 

[Ashles]

Ahem.. I think some.. “I told you so’s” are in order

Oh it all ended up pretty much as expected.

I was just getting fed up with Dr. MAS' excuses and decided to start a clear thread with clear questions in order to bypass any excuses.

And deprived of those excuses he resorted to very poor tactics of clamiing we just wouldn't understand.

However I see he has started a new thread where he might be starting to explain homeopathy - I wait with semi-bated breath to see how that one will turn out..

 

[Kumar]

Nonsense, Kumar (as usual). Just read the threads; clear and relevant questions have been asked. Even if they hadn't, what would keep MAS from making explanations? He claims to be a teacher for crying out loud! Have you ever encountered a teacher who refused to teach till the right questions were asked?



....Come to think of it, maybe YOU have .


Hans

Mr. Hans,

Frankly, I don't find that clear and relevant questions have been asked. Moreover, will you people believe/accept Dr. Mas or other person knowing homeopathy's tellings alike teacher's word?

Suppose, I or Dr. Mas says that homeopathy works in experiance in mass public, whatever may be its working science, will you accept that alike teacher's words without doubt or scepticism in that? I doubt there can be any real teacher of skeptics, because teacher's words can be alike God's words so need not to be doubted/disbelieved. How then you will accept Dr.Mas words as words of a teacher?

He may just want to check/ensure that, really if, you are dedicated students or not, or if, you are just skeptics?

Will it was not be better to clear your position/entity alike this;

"Dr. Mas/or any other,

we belive in scepticism. We have read some homeopathy & more science, so not just the students. As per results & conclusions of various scientific tests & studies, carried over as yet, it is observed that homeopathy doesn't work & can't work in accordance with modern technology/science. However, some unclear effects are noted in some studies AND it is widely claimed by hiomeopathic community that it effects. Science/we feel unclear effects or whatever claimed is just a placebo effect not pharmacological effects of remedies.

As we welcome new research & curious about it due to its mass presence, pls satisfy us by showing scientific working & effects of homeopathic remedies--if you can. Thanks. "

Wouldn't this much reply progressed this subject immediately?

 

[Gaga]

Frankly, I don't find that clear and relevant questions have been asked.

What is a clear and relevant question in this topic for you? give a couple of examples, just for my curiosity.

[...] will you accept that alike teacher's words without doubt or scepticism in that? [...] teacher's words can be alike God's words so need not to be doubted/disbelieved. [...]

Did you accept everything that's been said to you by your teachers? without asking questions? If a teacher tells you that pigs fly, will you invest your money on a flight training facility?
Well, that would explain something about your posts so far... but please...

 

[steenkh]

I doubt there can be any real teacher of skeptics, because teacher's words can be alike God's words so need not to be doubted/disbelieved. How then you will accept Dr.Mas words as words of a teacher?

Skeptics can be taught anything that is not contradicted by facts, such as homoeopathy. Actually, "Dr." MAS told us he did not believe that homoeopathy was unscientific, but when he had the chance to teach us why, he stalled and has spent page after page avoiding to keep up on his promise.

You are right, that we do not accept anybody's words as "God's" words, which is as it should be.

If I will teach you that the earth is flat, will you take my word as God's?

 

[Kumar]

What is a clear and relevant question in this topic for you? give a couple of examples, just for my curiosity.

I think you are not reading all postings. I already made it clear. However, I edited & added some more to my last post.

Did you accept everything that's been said to you by your teachers? without asking questions?

As I cleared many times, I just share or tell...mostly alike a person with 'O' negative blood group.

If a teacher tells you that pigs fly, will you invest your money on a flight training facility?
Well, that would explain something about your posts so far... but please...

Why you make teachers alike that or how you are previously skeptics in teachers also that, he will/can teach like that. Do you finds/expect teacher as a mad person, who will teach you like this? Is this your assesment about teacher or your scepticism? First pls decide right teacher then accept what he says, good or bad as a student can't assess, real intention behind teacher's tellings.

Btw, have/could you learn anything about homeopathy as yetv with so much time devotion?

 

[steenkh]

As I cleared many times, I just share or tell...mostly alike a person with 'O' negative blood group.

Hmm, some more nonsense that you believe in!

Why you make teachers alike that or how you are previously skeptics in teachers also that, he will/can teach like that. Do you finds/expect teacher as a mad person, who will teach you like this? Is this your assesment about teacher or your scepticism? First pls decide right teacher then accept what he says, good or bad as a student can't assess, real intention behind teacher's tellings.

You tend to forget that although many homoeopaths have tried to teach us, it has invariably turned out that we already knew more about homoeopathy than the homoeopaths. Maybe they should pop over more often to be taught a lesson?

 

[Kumar]

Skeptics can be taught anything that is not contradicted by facts, such as homoeopathy.

It means your teacher is facts not a person.

Actually, "Dr." MAS told us he did not believe that homoeopathy was unscientific, but when he had the chance to teach us why, he stalled and has spent page after page avoiding to keep up on his promise.

He is just looking at your attitudes, whether you want to learn or just contradict.

You are right, that we do not accept anybody's words as "God's" words, which is as it should be.

Then don't make the teachers. If you find that you are teaching me( sharing/telling as per me) but I am questioning & denying---how you feel? He just want to ensure it in advance. Probably, you have also adopted same policy in my case, as Dr.Mas is applying.

If I will teach you that the earth is flat, will you take my word as God's?

If I am a student in that aspect, it I accept you as a teacher--then I should/will accept it, because student means I am not knowing that aspect before teaching.