Dr. MAS - Please use this thread to explain homeopathy to us

[steenkh]

so this means that homeopathy cannot be tested.

You have just suggested a better test yourself: camphor 30C that can easily be shown to raise the test subject's temperature, and there is no danger involved.
Just be able to do this consistently (and it was our impression that this happens consistently), and use a good double blind procedure, and you could end up being a millionaire!

 

[Dragon]

What happened to Indian doctors who offered to prove homeopathic effects? Your skeptic team denied to carryout experimentation on homeopathic drugs.

Qureshi - you disappoint me. You made a very specific, testable claim above about Camphor 30C. I suggested the outline of a DBPC test - I'm sure there are many here who are much more knowledgable and who would help you refine the procedure. Your latest response is just handwaving about what happened in the past. Listen - it doesn't matter about past tests - just do it! If you conduct a proper test you will learn something whatever the outcome.

 

[chillzero]

on the above quoted question, double blind study is not necessary.

Double blind study on what claim?

Are the MAS collective back again?

 

[kieran]

You can easily observe its effect by using camphor 30. Note the temperature by using any sensitive thermometer and then take camphor 30 doses (minimum 3) after 15 minutes of time and then note it again. You will observe rise in temperature.

Qureshi1_78 - imagine you did exactly what you said above and measured the same temperature change effect, but you had mistakenly used "unprepared" (pure) water instead of "camphor 30". What would that tell you about the effect of the "camphor 30" in producing the temperature change effect?

... I hope that you have taken a second to think about that ...

Now - what is the problem with conducting a test to see if using "camphor 30" is any different to using normal water? Isn't it worth eliminating all the other possible causes of the temperature effect? (E.g., maybe unconscious stress caused by repeated thermometer measurements would have caused the temperature to rise anyway, anything else I may not have thought of ...)

Now, please remind us why you seem to have such a problem with conducting a test specifically designed to eliminate non-"camphor 30" effects?

 

[kieran]

so this means that homeopathy cannot be tested.

... you appear to want homeopathy to be untestable so that you don't have to face the possibility that it might not actually work ... are you really that scared of facing up to the possibility that it might not actually work?

 

[rjh01]

Qureshi1_78 - imagine you did exactly what you said above and measured the same temperature change effect, but you had mistakenly used "unprepared" (pure) water instead of "camphor 30". What would that tell you about the effect of the "camphor 30" in producing the temperature change effect?

... I hope that you have taken a second to think about that ...

Better still. Give one of your colleagues water and tell them it is medicine. If they ever complain that their patients do not get better any more then you have just provided evidence that homoeopathic medicine has an effect on people . Otherwise you have just found a good earner. I mean it would take ages to prepare the medicines. Now you can prepare something very cheaply and easily with same effect.


You are allowed to add colour and flavour to the water. Maybe a flavour not normally tasted, say bitter?

I will agree that just actively listening to and examining patients without giving them any treatment will help a lot of people. Lots of doctors have done this. I am not talking about homoeopathic doctors.