DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt
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smartcooky
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
True, it just makes you evil, and a fascist!
Hitler started the Holocaust mess by dehumanizing the Jews.
After the Jews were seen as subhumans who were the source of Germany's problems it was just short step to rounding them up and then shooting and gassing them.
We have seen migrants decried here as dirty, disease carrying drug pushers. We have even seen endorsed the notion that they should be rounded up and shipped back to their home countries without regard for their human rights or their physical condition.
The image of old Jewish women packed in rail cars surely comes to mind.
In line with this process of de-humanization of migrants we are getting reports of private citizens acting out this hate filled philosophy and shooting migrants as if doing so was sport.
I think it's well past the time we start calling out these poorly closeted Nazis for what they are!
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Susheel
Illuminator
another term that you don't know the meaning of...
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
Actually, I think it does. I don't think you can espouse one of the greatest evils of all time and pretend it doesn't really mean what you just said you mean.
Bruto, I think there were probably Nazi's who did not know the evil of the underpinnings. These folk were more staunch in their patriotism.
Think about. . .
If you live in Florida and are one of the few minority populations DeSantis has yet to devalue you have to figure that it's just a matter of time before he runs down his laundry list of baddies and gets to you.
And if you are one of the otherwise mainstream folks who has the temerity to stand up for the groups DeSantis has **** upon you know you are on the list too.
Sound familiar, folks?
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
The subject here is not what someone in the 1930's might have thought then (though I think there's room for argument even there, another issue of ends and means), but the character of Nazis in 2022. I contend that if you support the level of evil that is now known to everyone, there is no ledger-balancing act that can tip you out of the bad person column.
So, I know this is an odd question. And you know what, I don't wish to see you take a card. Please respond via pm, and elaborate on if you see me as a "bad person".
Oh, my God!
You say the unaware Nazis are supposed to be excused because while they knew about all the very public persecutions of the Jews, they didn't know about the death camps?
Bull!
They saw the "underpinnings" of Naziism when they witnessed Jews being persecuted and ousted from every aspect of German life.
They don't get a pass.
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Could it be we are seeing a trial run of the excuses to be offered when the Trump/DeSantis crew get outed for their crimes?
lobosrul5
Philosopher
Did you just literally say being a Nazi isn't.... bad 
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
* At risk of going off topic (but I promise I will return to it in this post) *
No. Perhaps that was at one time conventional wisdom, it is no longer the case.
While many Germans might not have known actual wholesale gassing and extermination of Jews was taking place, in what became known as the Holocaust, they certainly knew that the Jews were being persecuted. From 1933 and for the next decade, more than 400 decrees and regulations on all aspects of their lives were enacted, gradually but systematically stripping them of rights and property. The laws weren't just nationwide ones either - state, regional, and municipal officials also issued many decrees in their own communities. Every German, Nazi or not , knew what was happening to the Jews..... you'd have to be living in a cave in Pottenstein or the Untersberg Massif not to have known this was happening; that their businesses were being destroyed; that they were being taken from their homes or being rounded up in the streets, loaded onto railway cattle trucks and shipped out, most never to be seen again. Many Jews were turned in to authorities by neighbours, employees, employers and other associates. Many Jews were simply murdered by Nazi citizens.
Similar things are happening to immigrants, asylum seekers and brown skinned migrants in the US. People like DeSantis and Abbot are making laws to persecute and impact on people they don't like - i.e. brown people and immigrants. As a student of the history of pre-WW2 Europe, I see a lot of this stuff as looking very familiar. People like you (whether you realise it or not), who call them 'diseased', 'dirty', 'infected' 'criminals' etc, are doing exactly what the citizen supporters of the Nazi Party were doing Germany in the 1930's - helping to lay the foundations for other members of the citizenry to attack and or kill people in the streets for nothing more than their perceived subhumanity.
https://www.adl.org/the-anti-immigrant-movement-in-the-us
Anti-immigrant fervour, once relegated to more extreme quarters, has been increasingly mainstreamed over the last ten years.
Anti-immigrant groups and activists use social media to demonize immigrants and get their messages across to the public.
Anti-immigrant groups’ bigotry has also been normalized by the media, which provides a context- free platform for anti-immigrant spokespeople and their talking points.
The Fat Orange Turd included senior officials such as Jeff Sessions and Stephen Miller who were known for promoting hardline anti-immigrant policies. He also hired people with close ties to well-known anti-immigrant groups like FAIR and CIS throughout the executive branch. He has referred to immigrants and refugees as “an invasion”, demonized them by claiming they were all rapists and murderers, telling the crowd at Texas, political rally that “They (immigrants) carve you up with a knife.” He declares the source of immigrants as "****-hole countries" and issued an EO to try to ban immigrants from Islamic countries (by EO).
The Fat Orange Turd set the stage for what DeSantis and Abbott did, and they are acting out the play.
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kookbreaker
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I see we are in #notallnazis territory.
Ryan O'Dine
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This is the definition of nazismWP:
It doesn't matter if you knew about the genocide. There's hardly a more succinct expression of evil.
Oh wait, there is a more succinct expression...
It doesn't matter if you knew about the genocide. There's hardly a more succinct expression of evil.
Oh wait, there is a more succinct expression...
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
Why? You'll only handwave it away.