DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

Stacyhs said:
Follow the money. Find out who was paying her and we'll have an answer to that. As if we can't already guess.
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Liberal Outlet said:
One migrant who had been living on the streets of San Antonio, Texas, told CNN that a woman named “Perla” offered him clothes, food and money in exchange to find other people who would go on a flight to Massachusetts.
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Look at this. Turns out these people were helped into a better situation.
 
Norman Alexander said:
LOL. Certainly not what DeSantis planned or expected, hey! :)
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Actually, if you think about it, DeSantis couldn't lose. If (as he probably expected) the immigrants were given the cold shoulder by Martha's Vineyard, he could crow about those hypocritical NIMBY libruls. But when they received a warm welcome and were provided for, he could turn it around and claim he sent them to "a better place" and thus helped them become better off. Heads I win, tails you lose!
 
Stellafane said:
Actually, if you think about it, DeSantis couldn't lose. If (as he probably expected) the immigrants were given the cold shoulder by Martha's Vineyard, he could crow about those hypocritical NIMBY libruls. But when they received a warm welcome and were provided for, he could turn it around and claim he sent them to "a better place" and thus helped them become better off. Heads I win, tails you lose!
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Like I keep saying, politically smart.
 
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Warp12 said:
Like I keep saying, politically smart.
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And all he had to do was strand a busload of people. I feel like there's a name for people that gain political advantage by mistreating others.
 
gnome said:
And all he had to do was strand a busload of people. I feel like there's a name for people that gain political advantage by mistreating others.
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To be clear, I'm not saying DeSantis can make any claim to morality or decency. But in terms of assuming Trump's maggot-ridden mantle as the leader of Dirtbag America, it was probably an effective move. Whether or not that strategy ever translates into long-term nationwide success remains to be seen.
 
Warp12 said:
Look at this. Turns out these people were helped into a better situation.
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It's sad to watch the explaining away of government (i.e. the state of Florida) sponsored human trafficking as a charitable act because the victims were lured into the subterfuge by offers of clothes, food and cash.

What next? "Hey, little girl, would you like some candy?"

What else might we expect from those who have dehumanized migrants and fomented violence against them?
 
Stellafane said:
Actually, if you think about it, DeSantis couldn't lose. If (as he probably expected) the immigrants were given the cold shoulder by Martha's Vineyard, he could crow about those hypocritical NIMBY libruls. But when they received a warm welcome and were provided for, he could turn it around and claim he sent them to "a better place" and thus helped them become better off. Heads I win, tails you lose!
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But also kidnapping and human trafficking, assuming you see refugees as human, of course.
 
Upchurch said:
But also kidnapping and human trafficking, assuming you see refugees as human, of course.
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arayder said:
It's sad to watch the explaining away of government (i.e. the state of Florida) sponsored human trafficking as a charitable act because the victims were lured into the subterfuge by offers of clothes, food and cash.

What next? "Hey, little girl, would you like some candy?"

What else might we expect from those who have dehumanized migrants and fomented violence against them?
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Indeed! When you offer inducements and benefits to people to encourage them to board a train, plane or vehicle to specific location, and then send them to a location other than the one to told them, a location where there are none of the benefits you claimed, and you don't follow through with the promised inducements, that is human trafficking any way you slice it, regardless of the outcome for the victims. Even if you make them better off, its still human trafficking.

If a private citizen had done what DeSantis did, they would already be in jail awaiting trial.

Warp12's opinion that the asylum-seekers 'should just shut up and stop complaining because they are now better off', is analogous to an abusive man's opinion that his wife 'should just shut up and stop complaining because she is now better off'. After all, he pays the bills and puts a roof over her head --- as he smacks her around again for talking back to him.
 
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DeSnortis has made himself briefly agreeable to the worst elements in a diminishing subset of a ramshackle political party that represents a minority of citizens. He did this in collaboration with one of the least popular and most broadly criticized of US governors. We're told that this was smart of him.
 
It was also "politically smart" of Hitler to give the German people someone to blame all their troubles on.
 
Stacyhs said:
It was also "politically smart" of Hitler to give the German people someone to blame all their troubles on.
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While we are Godwinning, what is the complaint about that? The method either worked or it didn't.
 
Warp12 said:
While we are Godwinning, what is the complaint about that? The method either worked or it didn't.
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I think the rule about 'Godwinning' ended the minute Stubby McBonespurs called neo-Nazis "fine people" (and he did... none of this bunk about "not everyone", because every one of the right wing protesters was comfortable protesting under flags with the swastika).

If the leader of your party approves of nazis, and you remain a member of that party (even supporting said leader), any accusation of naziism can no longer be dismissed by the rule of Godwin.
 
Nothing to see here... nothing suspicious. Move along...

From: The Guardian
Vertol Systems Inc, an Oregon-based aviation company that DeSantis used to fly asylum seekers to the affluent, liberal-leaning Massachusetts island, has connections to DeSantis’s political allies and has donated money to various campaigns...DeSantis’ administration has not released details of the contract it awarded to Vertol, or disclosed why Vertol was selected to conduct the relocation program, or answered inquiries as to whether multiple bids were solicited in regards to the program, as is required by law

Maybe if the flight information was contained on a laptop hard drive dropped off at a computer repair shop the republicans might actually be concerned...
 
Segnosaur said:
Nothing to see here... nothing suspicious. Move along...

From: The Guardian
Vertol Systems Inc, an Oregon-based aviation company that DeSantis used to fly asylum seekers to the affluent, liberal-leaning Massachusetts island, has connections to DeSantis’s political allies and has donated money to various campaigns...DeSantis’ administration has not released details of the contract it awarded to Vertol, or disclosed why Vertol was selected to conduct the relocation program, or answered inquiries as to whether multiple bids were solicited in regards to the program, as is required by law

Maybe if the flight information was contained on a laptop hard drive dropped off at a computer repair shop the republicans might actually be concerned...
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Wasn't Vertol the only US aviation company that flies Russian aircraft?
 
Segnosaur said:
Nothing to see here... nothing suspicious. Move along...

From: The Guardian
Vertol Systems Inc, an Oregon-based aviation company that DeSantis used to fly asylum seekers to the affluent, liberal-leaning Massachusetts island, has connections to DeSantis’s political allies and has donated money to various campaigns...DeSantis’ administration has not released details of the contract it awarded to Vertol, or disclosed why Vertol was selected to conduct the relocation program, or answered inquiries as to whether multiple bids were solicited in regards to the program, as is required by law

Maybe if the flight information was contained on a laptop hard drive dropped off at a computer repair shop the republicans might actually be concerned...
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Why does this not surprise me?

Documents show James Montgomerie is the owner of Vertol Systems Company Inc., an aviation business first registered in Oregon back in 1996, and later converted to a Florida business in 2021.

According to campaign finance records from OpenSecrets, Montgomerie contributed $5,000 in 2017 to the North Florida Neighbors Super PAC in support of Republican candidate Neal Dunn for Congress. Montgomerie’s company also made a separate $5,000 contribution.

One of Dunn’s platforms as outlined on the North Florida Neighbors website is stopping illegal immigration.

Montgomerie is also listed as a $2,700 contributor to Matt Gaetz’s 2016 campaign for a U.S. House seat.
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10 Investigates also found where Vertol Systems Company is listed as a managing member of a Florida-based company called Zeppelin Holdings.

According to the Department of Justice, the owner of that company, Jay Odom, was sentenced to six months in federal prison in 2013 after he was convicted for “causing a presidential campaign committee to make a false statement to the Federal Election Commission (FEC)."
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Odom admitted he knew this activity was illegal, the DOJ said in 2013.
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https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/i...ights/67-ea9c7e37-1130-4887-b076-22a3db1ccdf9
 
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