Dean Clifford Discussion Thread

[Mojo]

"This is deemed to be attempted murder"

Dean ain't got the authority to "deem" nothing!

"There is too much of this damned deeming." - Lord Mildew in Travers v. Travers, reported by Sir Alan Herbert in More Uncommon Law at p.80.

 

[FMOTLgroupie]

A Hummer? How did Darren Clifford ever manage to get his hands on a Hummer?

My two theories are 1) This is proof that /anyone/ can get work in the oil patch or 2) any car loan is affordable if you aren't planning to pay it (once or twice).

 

[Robrob]

My two theories are 1) This is proof that /anyone/ can get work in the oil patch or 2) any car loan is affordable if you aren't planning to pay it (once or twice).

Also, if it's an original model he probably got it for a song. Those things are gas guzzlers and impossible to park.

 

[arayder]

A Hummer? How did Darren Clifford ever manage to get his hands on a Hummer?

My two theories are 1) This is proof that /anyone/ can get work in the oil patch or 2) any car loan is affordable if you aren't planning to pay it (once or twice).

If my understanding of Mr. Clifford's timeline is right he was driving later impounded and or repossessed fancy trucks around while he had an several outstanding financial obligations pending.

Obligations he never met.

This is sorta like the wise guy that shows up at the bar throwing money around, tells you he can't manage to pay you the $200 you loaned him and then whines when you meet him out in the lot by his Caddy to collect.

 

[rommelrommel]

Also, if it's an original model he probably got it for a song. Those things are gas guzzlers and impossible to park.

H1's are actually the most valuable of the hummers. While they are huge and guzzle diesel they actually are very capable, much more so than the dressed up SUV H2 and H3's.

 

[arayder]

I note that Clifford refers multiple times to his s. 32/s. 52 Charter argument in this latest update (as referenced here and here). The courts in BC have had the chance to consider this argument previously, including the exact citations to other Charter jurisprudence (Dell and Big M Drug Mart) that Clifford teaches and uses himself. This is the result, with juicy bits highlighted:


Clearly a corrupt judge. Somebody alert the UN.

That's a nice bit of research, D'rok. Thanks!

Dean Clifford will certainly disagree with the judge and probably call the whole thing a conspiracy.

However, since this decision has been handed down he has not hesitated to tell his followers that his Section 32 theory is sustained by case law.

That is simply not true.

The question freemen need ask is whether Clifford's misrepresentation of case law is a willful lie, or simply ignorance.

 

[jargon buster]

Kudos to arayder for giving Dean his own thread, it looks like Menards thread can finally be allowed to disappear now, its the final nail in Menards coffin.

All I need now is a new avatar.

 

[arayder]

Kudos to arayder for giving Dean his own thread, it looks like Menards thread can finally be allowed to disappear now, its the final nail in Menards coffin.

All I need now is a new avatar.

Bobby's gone to the same little place the previously dismissed Tommy Kennedy, Eldon Warman and Russ Porisky currently reside.

Dean has his own little room in a correctional facility and will, it seems, soon be living small with Tommy, Eldon and Bobby.

Despite the whine of Menardian toadie, Paul Kannler (a.k.a. bmxninja), over on the FWS forum Dean Clifford has justly been shown to have willfully misrepresented the truthfulness and usefulness of his theories.

I suspect Dean will quickly put off wannabe freemen. Unlike Menard, who spent the 2000's stoned and drunk on somebody else's couch out of the way of the law, Clifford tests his theories in the real world.

Dean's failures are more public, more certain. But, at least he has balls.

 

[jargon buster]

Agreed, Cliffords short life as a guru was because he was brave/daft enough to act on his teachings.
Menards longevity was due to the fact he was too clever/scared to do anything.
It shows Menard never really believed in anything he ever said at all.
It was only when Menard got desperate with his "dine and dash" that it really unravelled.
Old Bobby will have to either look towards getting a real job or think up another scam, my money is on the latter.

 

[tsig]

The WFS strategy for getting him out is priceless:

Once this is done get a family member too go claim the cargo known as the human Dean.
Through a habeas corpus motion.


Wouldn't they need a Bill of Lading instead of a habeas motion?

 

[marplots]

These folks (the US version, not the Canadian) seem just a short step away from being radicalized. I mean, from their point of view, the government (well, the courts at least) are rejecting valid arguments. How long before they decide they'll quit talking and start shooting instead?

 

[tsig]

If I've understood the dogma correctly, Dyer's proper course of action is to make a claim, not against the judge, but against her bond being held by the Canadian government. And the law of Karma comes into play (see Karma Common Law of 1642, section titled "Ironic Justice" or in the original, "Thee gettest which thou deservest").

It's the Cestui on the Que Tee law of 1666 which states that all court procedings (cestuis) are to be held in such privacy (Que Tee) that no one may publish them under dire penalty of law payable to the one who brings* the suit.

*that may be "who wears a suit of armor", these old texts can be ambiguous.

Blackstones Ed. 1663, pg 00001 to 111111 inclusive

 

[tsig]

Dean and his crew have taken down the written portion of his 1/2/14 news update.

Is it possible the king of bad judgement realized he was tipping his hand?

Not the the hand was anything more than aces and eights. . .the dead man's hand!

More like Cool Hand Lukes'.

 

[tsig]

Dean's also getting a bug up his behind about a cop who he says, in the long version of his audio, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nbBVQ1_C1I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUxqjiqHIenA7st14duL19Sg verbally abused and manhandled him at his hearing.

Despite having described the alleged incident as shoving and threats to shut him up, Dean, the master of hyperbole, makes the matter out to be attempted murder and calls upon the Deanites to start an official compliant campaign against the officer.

Not having any idea if the incident happened, or unfolded as Dean claims, one has to note that here Dean once again plays the victim.
I suppose it is possible that after giving cop after cop loud, haunty lectures and calling them stupid Dean finally ran across an officer who didn't want any lip from the Mouthy Mouse.

Would the hero/victim figure be so popular in our culture if it weren't for the bedrock of Christianity?

Jesus is the most Noble Martyr of all and maybe these FOTL gurus are unconsciously imitating the most respected role model they know.

 

[Mojo]

It's the Cestui on the Que Tee law of 1666 which states that all court procedings (cestuis) are to be held in such privacy (Que Tee) that no one may publish them...

Actually, I remember reading somewhere that judges of a few hundred years ago objected to people making notes of their reasons for judgment. I'll see if I can track it down.

 

[Hans]

Agreed, Cliffords short life as a guru was because he was brave/daft enough to act on his teachings.
Menards longevity was due to the fact he was too clever/scared to do anything.
It shows Menard never really believed in anything he ever said at all.
It was only when Menard got desperate with his "dine and dash" that it really unravelled.
Old Bobby will have to either look towards getting a real job or think up another scam, my money is on the latter.

Hey JB time for a Dean themed avatar I do believe

 

[Hans]

These folks (the US version, not the Canadian) seem just a short step away from being radicalized. I mean, from their point of view, the government (well, the courts at least) are rejecting valid arguments. How long before they decide they'll quit talking and start shooting instead?

That is what I suspect will happen, it why I always ask people who rant against the ebil gub'mint doing this or that why they are not in an armed rebellion against it. They should be if they actually believed what they state, the FMOLT will face the same great question; if I'm right and the government is wrong what can I do about it?

Give up

Complain

Political activism

Fight

 

[Horatius]

Hey JB time for a Dean themed avatar I do believe

This should be easy; that shot of him being hauled away by the cops pretty much puts the nails in his coffin....

 

[jargon buster]

 

[arayder]

Not having any idea if the incident [the alleged attack] happened, or unfolded as Dean claims, one has to note that here Dean once again plays the victim.

Would the hero/victim figure be so popular in our culture if it weren't for the bedrock of Christianity?

Jesus is the most Noble Martyr of all and maybe these FOTL gurus are unconsciously imitating the most respected role model they know.

Jesus was eventually triumphant. Dean, on the other hand, never wins. . . he just claims he wins.

As opposed to the Gospel Truth, Dean regularly misrepresents his convictions and missed court dates as matters he has dispelled by his brilliance.

He gets hauled into court and brought to justice by insurance and public utility companies. His property is being auctioned off for tax purposes, and he still says he's winning!

Dean is not being truthful with his followers. He even has a story about how he's going to get out of jail any day now.

Starved for attention Clifford's minions have posted one of his old tall tale radio shows from 2011. See his "Same ****, Different Year" news item: http://deanclifford.info/category/news/

Only Dean can make a 19 day stint in jail into a win.