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Dean Clifford Discussion Thread

Just to be clear, there is no confirmation of what the actual charges are.



Not that the charges are warranted. Consider this play:


Act I:

Mountie: Excuse me sir, do you have a current PAL that allows you to own these firearms, and this ammunition?

FoTLer: Screw you pig, that's just a "Statue" it doesn't apply to me.


Mountie: Sir, I think you mean "Statute", and yes, it does apply. Can you show me a PAL card?

FoTLer: Your not the boss of me!


Mountie: I think you mean "You're"*, and since you cannot show a current PAL, we'll have to confiscate these items, and charge you with possession without a PAL.


FoTLer: Racist!


Mountie: I think you mean "Fascist", sir.


Act II:

Judge: You've been charged with possessing firearms without a PAL.

FoTLer: (meekly) Here's my PAL, sir.


Judge: Twit. Case dismissed.


FoTLer: (Aside to his cronies) FoTLism wins again!

Cronies: Yay!





*Of course Mounties can hear punctuation.
 
Assuming he has improperly stored and unlicensed firearms, if the Crown proceeds by indictment, he is looking at up to two years and up to five years respectively. . . .Just to be clear, there is no confirmation of what the actual charges are.

Yes, it is possible the boy had gun locks on the three weapons and had registered them. But the way he's crying foul I suspect he's put himself in a corner and had unregistered weapons, unsecured in his ding-dang office closet.

At one point on the audio he even unwittingly admits he keeps them out in the barn part of the year! I guess he thinks that helps his argument. . .duh?

I come back to the question why the self-proclaimed brilliant Clifford would leave himself open for trouble like this when he must know the cops are gunning (no pun intended) for him.
 
If money was an issue (and it alsways seems to be with the FMOTL-types), then he could have solved any "unsafe storage" issues for $24.99+ sales tax at Canadian Tire with a three-pack of trigger locks.

Western Canada has a gun culture much like we have here in Kentucky.

Without regard for "statutes" in both places a grown man who doesn't safely store his firearms is considered a contemptible fool.
 
I come back to the question why the self-proclaimed brilliant Clifford would leave himself open for trouble like this when he must know the cops are gunning (no pun intended) for him.
He's really backed himself into a corner in every possible way. By trade, he's a home builder, and we're in the midst of an ongoing economic/housing boom in western Canada. Contractors are doing really, really well out here. Instead of taking advantage of this and working hard at developing a successful business, he's fully committed to the sovereign guru path.

But really, what else can he do? He has court ordered judgments against him, including orders garnishing his wages. Various levels of government are seizing and selling his property to pay his tax debts. He's in and out of jail all year long.

No construction firm in their right mind would sub-contract with him under these conditions, especially given the fact that he would no doubt demand cash and wouldn't collect or file GST. As an independent under-the-table contractor, the best he can likely hope for is odd-jobs and day labour.

All he has left is blustering his way into the wallets of the freeple, and that well is not deep.
 
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Western Canada has a gun culture much like we have here in Kentucky.

Without regard for "statutes" in both places a grown man who doesn't safely store his firearms is considered a contemptible fool.
Yup.
 
Not that the charges are warranted. Consider this play:


Act I:

Mountie: Excuse me sir, do you have a current PAL that allows you to own these firearms, and this ammunition?

FoTLer: Screw you pig, that's just a "Statue" it doesn't apply to me.


Mountie: Sir, I think you mean "Statute", and yes, it does apply. Can you show me a PAL card?

FoTLer: Your not the boss of me!


Mountie: I think you mean "You're"*, and since you cannot show a current PAL, we'll have to confiscate these items, and charge you with possession without a PAL.


FoTLer: Racist!


Mountie: I think you mean "Fascist", sir.


Act II:

Judge: You've been charged with possessing firearms without a PAL.

FoTLer: (meekly) Here's my PAL, sir.


Judge: Twit. Case dismissed.


FoTLer: (Aside to his cronies) FoTLism wins again!

Cronies: Yay!





*Of course Mounties can hear punctuation.
Similar script when most freeple are pulled over by traffic cops. Finally hand over the license and registration after a whole bunch of futile FOTL waffle. (Mind you, Dean goes all the way to having his trucks impounded).
 
He's really backed himself into a corner in every possible way. . . .Instead of. . .working hard at developing a successful business, he's fully committed to the sovereign guru path.

. . .He has court ordered judgments against him, including orders garnishing his wages. . . .government are seizing and selling his property to pay his tax debts. He's in and out of jail all year long.

No construction firm in their right mind would sub-contract with him . . .the best he can likely hope for is odd-jobs and day labour.

All he has left is blustering his way into the wallets of the freeple, and that well is not deep.


And he says everybody else is stupid!
 
Clifford's court strategy (apparently there is a transcript of him saying these things) is worth quoting in full:

  • “I don’t consent to be associated to a legal person for these proceedings; I will not appear as a legal person; I don’t consent to appearance in a statutory jurisdiction either”
  • “Well, this is, this is a kangaroo court and it’s not a court of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the II…you don’t have any duties that I even really care about in the first place”
  • “I don’t consent to represent the legal fiction these people have brought into court”
  • “Never in my life have I [have] consented to be recognized as a legal fiction under their terms and conditions and I certainly do not, do not consent and refuse to appear in the jurisdiction that they’ve created which is full of unicorns and rainbows”
  • “NO, I will not be playing this game at all”
  • “As one of the sovereign people of this land I convene a lawful court of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the II; I have all sorts of claims against this man and I think that we should proceed in a game of my choosing; We can settle up these false claims in a real hurry

Brilliant.

I really like the bit of cognitive dissonance that follows the above quote:

"The assertions from Dean is the only statements in this hearings worth reading, everything else that the judge and the prosecution has to say is nonsensical and is obvious they have no case what so ever."

Yeah, all those other things are about the warrant, the charges, the previous convictions, etc. and would really just get in the way of the narrative. No need to show those to the freeple.
 
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Clifford likes to portray himself as an expert in law, with all the usual willful ignorance and hilarious misinterpretation that is common of the FOTL species of barrack-room lawyer. There is one particular piece of idiocy that really bugs me, because it has caught on amongst his flock. I don't know if he originated it, but he definitely preaches it, and his freeple repeat it everywhere. It goes like this:

  1. Section 32 of the Constitution Act, 1982 says that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms only applies to government or government agents.
  2. Section 52 of the Constitution Act, 1982 says that the Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada and any law inconsistent with it is of no force or effect.
  3. Conclusion: All statutory law applies only to government or government agents. Put another way, any law that targets individual Canadians is of no force or effect because it is inconsistent with the Constitution of Canada.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/st...le-b-to-the-canada-act-1982-uk-1982-c-11.html
Just a bit more about this bit of nonsense. Turns out, Clifford has already tried this argument in court. The judge called it "nonsensical", and then ruled against Clifford, finding that the application of the Charter to government doesn't exempt him from statutes. (Of course, that didn't stop Clifford from continuing to preach the argument to the freeple).

"Now, the determinations the Judge made were interesting. She agreed with me, and the Supreme Court via my case law in the exhibits attached to my Affidavit, that The Charter has no application against the private individual, nor any subservient law since she has a DUTY to view anything inconsistent with the Charter as having no force or effect, and then agreed with me that I am a private individual. She then went on to make the outrageous determination that the BC Motor Vehicle Act still applies to me in this matter, hahahahahahahahaha, and the Police were acting in their lawful authority. When pressed to explain how she arrived at that determination, in the face of the Supreme Court she is bound by, she became irritated and informed me she would not get into any nonsensical arguments with me."

This stems from a private prosecution thingy that Clifford attempted back in 2012 against the BC RCMP officers who impounded his unregistered, uninsured truck. Follow the story here:
https://public.worldfreemansociety..../110051-dean-clifford-in-kelowna-court-nov-21

Of course, failure means future success is assured, this time against the judge herself:

"So, since she was clearly operating outside the scope of her Office by making this ridiculous, in the face of the law and very clear superior court rulings, she is now personally liable, and I have more names and liable parties for my commercial liens and Federal Claims."

Funny how nothing came of that.
 
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Of course, failure means future success is assured, this time against the judge herself:

"So, since she was clearly operating outside the scope of her Office by making this ridiculous, in the face of the law and very clear superior court rulings, she is now personally liable, and I have more names and liable parties for my commercial liens and Federal Claims."

Funny how nothing came of that.

If I've understood the dogma correctly, Dyer's proper course of action is to make a claim, not against the judge, but against her bond being held by the Canadian government. And the law of Karma comes into play (see Karma Common Law of 1642, section titled "Ironic Justice" or in the original, "Thee gettest which thou deservest").
 
If I've understood the dogma correctly, Dyer's proper course of action is to make a claim, not against the judge, but against her bond being held by the Canadian government. And the law of Karma comes into play (see Karma Common Law of 1642, section titled "Ironic Justice" or in the original, "Thee gettest which thou deservest").
This is complete gibberish, and is therefore perfect. Well done!
 
Western Canada has a gun culture much like we have here in Kentucky.

Without regard for "statutes" in both places a grown man who doesn't safely store his firearms is considered a contemptible fool.

Same attitude in northern Ontario where I grew up (and amongst all the gun owners I know here in Ottawa).
 
Dean and his crew have taken down the written portion of his 1/2/14 news update.

Is it possible the king of bad judgement realized he was tipping his hand?

Not the the hand was anything more than aces and eights. . .the dead man's hand!
Looks that way. There was just a wee bit too much info in that post. It came too close to revealing to the freeple that all is not as it seems in Deano-land.
 
Back when Clifford was first arrested and the freeple were in an uproar, this bit of info was posted on a Facebook thread:

"they raided his house on novemeber fifth

they found a grow op and guns"


https://www.facebook.com/roguesuppo...ment_id=81063151&offset=0&total_comments=1295

As we know, it turns out that the raid and the guns part is true. It would be interesting to know if the grow-op part is also true. It would certainly explain why law enforcement went to so much trouble to arrest and transport Clifford back to Winnipeg.

I wonder if we'll hear anything about that in v2.0 of the latest update?
 
Mouthy Mouse is here to save the day. . .

Dean's also getting a bug up his behind about a cop who he says, in the long version of his audio, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nbBVQ1_C1I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUxqjiqHIenA7st14duL19Sg verbally abused and manhandled him at his hearing.

Despite having described the alleged incident as shoving and threats to shut him up, Dean, the master of hyperbole, makes the matter out to be attempted murder and calls upon the Deanites to start an official compliant campaign against the officer.

Not having any idea if the incident happened, or unfolded as Dean claims, one has to note that here Dean once again plays the victim.

I suppose it is possible that after giving cop after cop loud, haunty lectures and calling them stupid Dean finally ran across an officer who didn't want any lip from the Mouthy Mouse.
 
Dean and his crew have taken down the written portion of his 1/2/14 news update.

Is it possible the king of bad judgement realized he was tipping his hand?

Not the the hand was anything more than aces and eights. . .the dead man's hand!
The old update is mirrored here:

http://therightofreply.blogspot.ca/2014/01/update-with-fmotl-dean-clifford.html

And, just for posterity, here are the text bits.

Since the last hearing the transcripts from all hearings to date have been obtained and reviewed.
Within them, from the very first page, it is obvious the judicial system of the provincial courts, judiciary, and the judges are an absolute joke in which there is total disregard to law and justice.
Fabricated warrants were never endorsed It has been found and stated on the record.
The prosecution has also been caught out referring to prior ‘offences’ as convictions in which they were in fact and on the record to be struck off and thrown out.
The charges at fictitious and stator in nature which there is no real victims and no harm or damage has been incurred. The stem with some old vintage guns that are family air loops which have historic and nostalgic value.

The accuser has moved from the JP to Judges in which one claimed that “Well, I’m your accuser at this point…[AND] …I’m your jailor at this point”
Hamilton Police have put on the record in an affidavit that no warrant was provided and was a warrantless arrest.

Some of the statements Dean stipulated in court and in the transcripts are as follows as follows:
“I don’t consent to be associated to a legal person for these proceedings; I will not appear as a legal person; I don’t consent to appearance in a statutory jurisdiction either”
“Well, this is, this is a kangaroo court and it’s not a court of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the II…you don’t have any duties that I even really care about in the first place”
“I don’t consent to represent the legal fiction these people have brought into court”
“Never in my life have I [have] consented to be recognized as a legal fiction under their terms and conditions and I certainly do not, do not consent and refuse to appear in the jurisdiction that they’ve created which is full of unicorns and rainbows”
“NO, I will not be playing this game at all”
“As one of the sovereign people of this land I convene a lawful court of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the II; I have all sorts of claims against this man and I think that we should proceed in a game of my choosing; We can settle up these false claims in a real hurry”

The assertions from Dean is the only statements in this hearings worth reading, everything else that the judge and the prosecution has to say is nonsensical and is obvious they have no case what so ever.
It is also obvious what they are doing is stalling, dragging things out and changing hands and tossing the case around like a hot potato as all involved do not want to be left holding all the liability that is building up by every hour Dean is locked up.
There is been reports from Dean stated in the transcripts that he has been tortured and his mentioned once again in this update there is in fact that violence being inflected on him.
They are denying him a show cause hearing, writ of habeas corpus, demand to show cause, demand for empirical evidence. All were severed by three different parties on the courts. According to their own laws, these documents should have been heard within 24 hours but have been ignored and the judge is claiming ignorance and denial of such filings exist.




They have tried to peg the legal fiction to Dean via fingerprints but have failed.
They are also trying to associate another individual with Dean’s case which has a legal aid lawyer just to obscure and confuse the case even further. But they have failed there as well.
There are financing issues for the courts and the prosecutor as they are not getting paid. This has been denoted as a issue for over a month now and still isn’t resolved for them.
On the transcripts often Dean’s statements were recorded as “(inaudible)” and more frequent occurrences of “ – - “ throughout where important information is being censored. He only got his final couple of statements recorded towards the end of the transcript on the 19th December.
Increasingly there are unidentified people making statements in the court as well.
The next hearing is January 28th 2014, Tuesday this is most likely another closed hearing as they don’t want any witnesses of the grievous violations of Dean’s rights and prefer to keep things being closed doors. If anyone is free that day, maybe it would be good to let them know we are watching them and know what they are up to.

Once again, the courts are located at the Law Courts Building which is located at 408 York Avenue in Winnipeg. The court room will be 405. No time was stated yet but will know more closer to the date.
The legal aid lawyer for the other individual is still unsure if they have full authority to represent them.
The officer with badge number 1796 with the RCMP could possibly be looking at some charges laid upon him, where it has been stated he has inflicted violence resulting in assault and even attempted murder. Now that Dean has spoken of this incident, it is on the public record.

If you want to voice your concerns, you can write to:
The Honorable Peter Gordon MacKay
Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada
284 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0H8
If you want to write to Dean:
Brandon Correctional Centre
375 Veterans Way,
Brandon,
Manitoba,
Canada R7C 0B1
Phone 204-725-3532

Fax: 204-727-3961
 
People will get weird when their sense of self is challenged by reality.

Think about it. It's psychologically easier for these seminar attendees to believe the powers that be are "kidnapping" their brilliant guru in a futile attempt to forestall their truth movement then it is to accept the reality that the woo pitching BS artist who conned them out of $150 is being arrested right in front of their eyes.

Likewise, it's easier for Cliffy to believe judges are the dumbest people on earth then it is for him to accept the crushing reality that he's a not so bright, not so successful, guru/conman who's so messed up he can't make a life for himself in one of the world's most prosperous western democracies.

In both cases it's easier to pretend to be a victim of oppression then it is to see yourself as the loser you are.

He charges $150 per attendee at his seminars? Based on the qualities of his 'followers' arguments as he's being arrested, I can see them being dumn enough to pay $150, plus they got a bonus encore performance!
The sad part is that these folks probably don't really have $150 to blow on this stuff.

I think it would be a wonderful time for Rob Menard to fly in and save the day.
 
He charges $150 per attendee at his seminars? Based on the qualities of his 'followers' arguments as he's being arrested, I can see them being dumn enough to pay $150, plus they got a bonus encore performance!
The sad part is that these folks probably don't really have $150 to blow on this stuff.

I think it would be a wonderful time for Rob Menard to fly in and save the day.

$150 seems steep, but think of all the money you save by not paying drivers license fees, buying a license plate, or paying taxes.
 

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