Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[tusenfem]

Tom Bridgeman has just written an article that exposes the problems associated with Birkeland's theories:

And predictably, our good friends over at the Thunderdolts Forum have already begun squealing like stuck pigs:

HaHa! Mr. Mozina strikes again, with his favourite New York Times article.

 

[Haig]

HaHa! Mr. Mozina strikes again, with his favourite New York Times article.

He's doing great unlike mainstream Dirty Snowball Comet Theory

Maybe the [electric] space weather had something to do with it instead?

Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'
Unread postby Rosphere » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:24 pm

How, I wonder, will the dirty snowball advocates explain such radiant brightness, large area of coverage, and wide angular span of such a, "sublimation jet?"

GaryN wrote:
Today's CometWatch entry, featuring a dramatic outburst from Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, was taken by Rosetta’s NAVCAM on 22 August 2015, about 336 km from the nucleus.
http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/files/2015/08/ESA_Rosetta_NavCam_20150822.jpg
Gas?


Maybe the [electric] space weather had something to do with it instead? http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=22&month=08&year=2015

 

[jonesdave116]

He's doing great unlike mainstream Dirty Snowball Comet Theory

Maybe the [electric] space weather had something to do with it instead?

Space weather is irrelevant. Google diamagnetic cavity. Have a look at the Halley data. Not sure why we need to keep quoting Comet 101 to you people.
As for the deluded burke on Thunderdolts, tell him to look at the images from Hartley 2. Then tell him to read the papers on Hartley 2. Then ask him what the jets there were spectrally resolved as being (mainly) composed of. Then ask him what the temperature data were for that comet, et boring cetera.

 

[tusenfem]

Maybe the [electric] space weather had something to do with it instead?

That is a pic of the Sun as we see it from Earth.
The comet is basically at the back side of the sun.
wealees indeed!

 

[ferd burfle]

Not sure why we need to keep quoting Comet 101 to you people.

In the sun/earthquakes thread, Haig informed us that the Sun is an electromagnet because he found the word "Sun" on a web page about the electromagnetic spectrum. i expect any attempt to explain more advanced concepts will be wasted effort until and unless he learns some of the basics.

 

[Haig]

In the sun/earthquakes thread, Haig informed us that the Sun is an electromagnet because he found the word "Sun" on a web page about the electromagnetic spectrum. i expect any attempt to explain more advanced concepts will be wasted effort until and unless he learns some of the basics.

Seems ferd you need to get back to basics on our variable Sun

Learn about Space Weather with the SUN SERIES

 

[Reality Check]

He's doing great unlike mainstream Dirty Snowball Comet Theory

Denying the real world where mainstream comet theory works and thus is doing great is bad, Haig .
All of the science says that the Electric Comet idea is a delusion (comets are not rocks!).
That the Thunderbolts authors are obviously deluded (and by association their followers) emphasizes this:
They are followers of Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System to explain various myths in recent times and the extra layer of delusion added by the Thunderbolts authors that results in the EC delusion..

Someone ignorant enough to be posting on the crank Thunderbolts forum is not competent enough to have an opinion on comets. You quote the fantasies of a couple of Thunderbolts "cult followers" .

1. Bigger jets are expected as real comets get closer to the Sun - more heat = bigger jets!
   The EC delusion has no way of explaining the brightness of the 22 August jet.
   Actual science can explain the brightness.
2. It is idiotic to think that space weather caused the sudden bright jet on 67P when there is no evidence of any solar activity having an effect on jet activity (other than the obvious the Sun is hot!).

 

[Reality Check]

Seems ferd you need to ...

Seems Haig, you need to get back to basic reading comprehension.

This is the Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2) thread. Not the "irrelevant crank videos by a deluded Thunderbolts follower" thread !

 

[Reality Check]

Haig: do you want to try the basic physics that Sol88 cannot do

Sol88 has spent 67 days and counting being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

I did ask you to do this simple physics but you have ignored the question:
24 August 2015 Haig: do you want to try the basic physics that Sol88 cannot do?
(only 9 days and counting!)

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Seems ferd you need to get back to basics on our variable Sun

Learn about Space Weather with the SUN SERIES

Argument by biblethumping.

 

[Sol88]

Sol88 has spent 67 days and counting being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

I did ask you to do this simple physics but you have ignored the question:
24 August 2015 Haig: do you want to try the basic physics that Sol88 cannot do?
(only 9 days and counting!)

Still cant find a calculator that takes in the ELECTRICAL potential of the two objects, you know like what would produce a flash shortly before impact.

So I'm not sure what the exercise is trying to achieve sport!

 

[Reality Check]

Still cant find a calculator that takes in the ELECTRICAL potential of the two objects, you know like what would produce a flash shortly before impact.

Still repeating the lie of Thunderbolts that there was a flash before impact, Sol88 !
And the Thunderbolts cult delusion that an ELECTRICAL potential existed between Deep Impact and the comet.

ETA: If you want such a calculator then look on the Thunderbolts web site or ask the great geniuses David Talbott or Wal Thornhill where the physics for that ELECTRICAL potential is. Then watch them squirm or ban you from the web site! Not that you would ask the Thunderbots cult leaders for anything as basic as physical evidence for their ideas !

It is basic physics:

• Hit a rock with another rock and you get a crater.
• Hit a body made of ices and dust with a rock and you get a bigger crater.

According to the Thunderbolts cult, Deep Impact (a "rock") hit a rock. The size of the impact crater will be smaller than the measured size of the crater for a body made of ices and dust.

Thus Sol88 has spent 67 days and counting being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[JeanTate]

There's an interesting, very recent, thread over in TD, started by Rossim. In it he repeatedly asks about hard scientific data that is consistent with "EU theory", re 67P (he professes to be an ardent EU proponent).

No surprise that the no one is able to provide him with what he sees as satisfactory answers ...

Also rather astonishing - to me - is the complete lack of anything 'electrical' in any of the replies, almost as if no EU fan has a clue about currents, electrical fields, magnetic fields, voltages, etc. I didn't expect anything quantitative - the site is almost completely devoid of such - but at least I expected something on what Rosetta's instruments should have picked up if the jets are EDM (per "EU theory"), but no, just pale words about images ...

In this sense, both Sol88 and Haig post 'true to form'.

 

[JeanTate]

Still cant find a calculator that takes in the ELECTRICAL potential of the two objects, you know like what would produce a flash shortly before impact.

That is something you'd expect "electrical theorists" to have developed decades ago, right? Yet apparently none have done so; why do you think that is?

So I'm not sure what the exercise is trying to achieve sport!

Showing the ignorance, delusions, lies, etc of "electrical theorists"? of EU fans (such as yourself)?

 

[Reality Check]

68 days and counting being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.
(and now trying to hide his fear of science with the fantasy of an imaginary "ELECTRICAL potential" doing magic)

 

[jonesdave116]

Still cant find a calculator that takes in the ELECTRICAL potential of the two objects, you know like what would produce a flash shortly before impact.

So I'm not sure what the exercise is trying to achieve sport!

No electrical potential to look for. The SWIFT X-ray data would have shown up any electric woo. It didn't. To people who actually understand science, that means it didn't happen. To mythologists, however, who knows? Scientific evidence, or the total lack thereof, is not a problem when one is preaching to the scientifically illiterate.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Sometimes I'm reminded of the old Spathi from the game Starcon2

The fact that data for the EU has so far eluded detection from all our sensors and data must mean that it's REALLY powerful.

 

[Sol88]

By the way, I am mentioning electric currents in my upcoming Rosetta RPC paper, I guess I will be shunned now by my colleagues.

Any joy with the paper, Tusenfem?

 

[tusenfem]

Any joy with the paper, Tusenfem?

my co-authors seem to like it, just got some solar wind data helping me resolve two things
all info at the rpc team meeting next week (if i can get to budapest)
and of course at the agu fall meeting (but by then it should long be submitted)

 

[jonesdave116]

my co-authors seem to like it, just got some solar wind data helping me resolve two things
all info at the rpc team meeting next week (if i can get to budapest)
and of course at the agu fall meeting (but by then it should long be submitted)

Shouldn't have any problem. Most people seem to be coming the other way!