Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[Sol88]

Which leaves nothing from a cult follower of Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System to explain various myths in recent times and the extra layer of delusion added by the Thunderbolts authors that results in the EC delusion..

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Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System???

But that's the leading MAINSTREAM theory!

Where's the electrical interaction? none, why not Reality Check?

 

[Andy_Ross]

No, the Mainstream Theory deals with the early formation of the Solar System. Velikovsky has planets shooting around like pool balls within recorded history.

Don't you see a difference?

 

[The Don]

Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System???

But that's the leading MAINSTREAM theory!

Where's the electrical interaction? none, why not Reality Check?

Immanuel Velikovsky's nuttiness came from his assertions that planetary migration had happened within human memory and thus had been passed down through a series of folk-tales and myths:

• A tentative suggestion that Earth had once been a satellite of a "proto-Saturn" body, before its current solar orbit.
• That the Deluge (Noah's Flood) had been caused by proto-Saturn's entering a nova state, and ejecting much of its mass into space.
• A suggestion that the planet Mercury was involved in the Tower of Babel catastrophe.
• Jupiter had been the culprit for the catastrophe that saw the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
• Periodic close contacts with a "cometary Venus" (which had been ejected from Jupiter) had caused the Exodus events (c. 1500 BCE) and Joshua's subsequent "sun standing still" (Joshua 10:12 and 13) incident.
• Periodic close contacts with Mars had caused havoc in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

 

[Sol88]

No, the Mainstream Theory deals with the early formation of the Solar System. Velikovsky has planets shooting around like pool balls within recorded history.

Don't you see a difference?

Ha ha ha, so just a matter of timing then?

That's of course not the only MAINSTREAM theory, you also have Planetary Capture

The scientists calculated that it would be possible for a star to capture one of these orphans if the conditions were right; namely, if the star and planet happen to pass close to each other with only a small velocity difference, and if there are no other massive bodies nearby to interfere with the "adoption." They ran a series of computer simulations to test all these and other possibilities, and they found not only that such a capture was possible, but that a star could even capture several orphan planets.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-05-capturing-planets.html#jCp

 

[Sol88]

Immanuel Velikovsky's nuttiness came from his assertions that planetary migration had happened within human memory and thus had been passed down through a series of folk-tales and myths:

• A tentative suggestion that Earth had once been a satellite of a "proto-Saturn" body, before its current solar orbit.
• That the Deluge (Noah's Flood) had been caused by proto-Saturn's entering a nova state, and ejecting much of its mass into space.
• A suggestion that the planet Mercury was involved in the Tower of Babel catastrophe.
• Jupiter had been the culprit for the catastrophe that saw the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
• Periodic close contacts with a "cometary Venus" (which had been ejected from Jupiter) had caused the Exodus events (c. 1500 BCE) and Joshua's subsequent "sun standing still" (Joshua 10:12 and 13) incident.
• Periodic close contacts with Mars had caused havoc in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

And some (a lot) of people also believe Earth was made in just 6 days and then old mate had a day off on Sunday! go tell them there wrong and see what happens!

but the reason for the linking of myths and such by Talbot, Perrat etc was the stories all had similar archetypes.

The Aboriginals around here also have the flood myth, who told them about Deluge (Noah's Flood)?

and I just am dumbfounded by the pure and total disdain for what our ancient astronomers tell us.

 

[Sol88]

I think I know where Sol88's delusion about "stretched the picture of the bright pencil thin jet" comes from - ignorance of science !
NAVCAM images are not physically stretched as Sol88 thinks. Some images are intensity-stretched to show the full range of intensities.
Rosetta NAVCAM's Shades of Grey
Still no evidence that "the picture of the bright pencil thin jet" was stretched or intensity-stretched. But Sol88 should be pleased that his delusion that jets are electrical discharges is being "supported" by the jet being made brighter.

You drunk again RC?

You tell me how you physically stretch a photo? I tried your suggestion and all mine just ripped

Show me a photo(the one of the "explosive jet") that is NOT intensity-stretched to show the full range of intensities, see how bright the jet source is compared to the nucleus then

 

[tusenfem]

No, the Mainstream Theory deals with the early formation of the Solar System. Velikovsky has planets shooting around like pool balls within recorded history.

Don't you see a difference?

Oh come on! a few orders of magnitude only!

 

[The Don]

And some (a lot) of people also believe Earth was made in just 6 days and then old mate had a day off on Sunday! go tell them there wrong and see what happens!

Rather like your theories there is no scientific evidence to underpin their belief and rather a lot of evidence to the contrary

but the reason for the linking of myths and such by Talbot, Perrat etc was the stories all had similar archetypes.

Thought we were talking about Immanuel Velikovsky who not only took common folk tales but also invented some crackpot astronomy to explain them.

The Aboriginals around here also have the flood myth, who told them about Deluge (Noah's Flood)?

How do you know it was Noah's Flood and not just some local flooding event ?

I'm pretty certain that any group of people would have either suffered some kind of extreme weather event or come into contact with people who either had done so themselves of come into contact with people who had (and so on...).

and I just am dumbfounded by the pure and total disdain for what our ancient astronomers tell us.

What do they tell us that we cannot determine for ourselves ?

When we interpret what they've told us in a way that contradicts known scientific theories, why should we prefer their evidence (or more accurately our interpretation of of) to our own.

 

[Sol88]

Very simplistic!

Well done for you, Don

 

[Sol88]

Now back to the main show, "jets"

Where are the pics Holger of the jets source on the "flatlands"? Like you said in the youtube video!

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Ha ha ha, so just a matter of timing then?

That's of course not the only MAINSTREAM theory, you also have Planetary Capture

Yes.
The energy needed for the timeframe for conventional astronomy is well within the energies measured in the solar system and the timeframes involved are millions of years.

For the Velikovsky ideas to be true the constants of modern physics need to be wrong. As movements of planets on that scale would not cause minor floodings leading to local flood legends, but rather the complete and total fragmentation of the planet itself.

Again your complete lack of knowledge of actual physics shows itself.

 

[The Don]

Very simplistic!

Well done for you, Don

Don't blame me when I spot flaws in your arguments. If you want to spend less time messing around choose better evidence.

 

[tusenfem]

You drunk again RC?

You tell me how you physically stretch a photo? I tried your suggestion and all mine just ripped

Show me a photo(the one of the "explosive jet") that is NOT intensity-stretched to show the full range of intensities, see how bright the jet source is compared to the nucleus then

Of course it is very difficult to find the navcam images on the web, you have to google at least 2 seconds to arrive this page where the original and processed images are given.

 

[tusenfem]

By the way, I am mentioning electric currents in my upcoming Rosetta RPC paper, I guess I will be shunned now by my colleagues.

 

[Matthew Cline]

For the Velikovsky ideas to be true the constants of modern physics need to be wrong. As movements of planets on that scale would not cause minor floodings leading to local flood legends, but rather the complete and total fragmentation of the planet itself. [underlining added]

Are you talking about:

1) The forces caused by the fly-bys of Mars and Venus.

2) The forces needed to change the orbits of Mars and Venus over such a short time frame.

3) Both.

 

[Reality Check]

...snipped insults and ignorance...
Show me a photo(the one of the "explosive jet") that is NOT intensity-stretched to show the full range of intensities, see how bright the jet source is compared to the nucleus then

Why should I waste my time, Sol88, with a demand from a cult follower of Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System to explain various myths in recent times and the extra layer of delusion added by the Thunderbolts authors that results in the EC delusion. who is too scared of science to do their own research?

If you want to see images where the intensity of the light reflected from jets is not increased by intensity-stretching then go look for them yourself.

There have been 62 days and counting of being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

11 August 2015 Sol88: Please provide the evidence for your fantasy about double layers around comets

 

[Reality Check]

Ha ha ha, so just a matter of timing then?

No, Sol88.
It is a matter of not relying on blind faith in the delusions of the Thunderbolts authors because that leads to the stupidity of citing an irrelevant link about extra-stellar planets being captured.

 

[Reality Check]

...and I just am dumbfounded by the pure and total disdain for what our ancient astronomers tell us.

I am dumbfounded by your abysmal, pure and total ignorance about the Thunderbolts delusions, Sol88 !

Astronomers have a good regard for ancient astronomers.
Astronomers and other rational people have a pure and total disdain for the idiocy of relying on ancient priests and their religious myths while ignoring the real world.
Velikovsky, Talbott, Thornhill and you] have a pure and total disdain for the intelligence of ancient people who you imagine cannot see and record obvious events (see below)

Talbott is idiotic enough to take an Egyptian myth that Saturn appears in the North and physical put Saturn above the North pole.

12 June 2015 Sol88: Is Velikovsky's Venus explaining Joshua 10:13 a delusion or mainstream physics?

This includes the idiotic idea of taking a story in the Bible (Joshua 10:13) and stating that Venus wandered over to Earth and stopped its rotation to make the Sun stand still. A day later Venus magically cam back and restarted Earth's rotation with exactly the same length of day as before !
This is Velikovsky, Talbott, Thornhill and maybe you and Haig assuming that people are stupid enough to not notice Venus becoming at least the third brightest object in the sky!
This is Velikovsky, Talbott, Thornhill lying about (Joshua 10:13 by neglecting how Venus stopped the Moon in its tracks. That means that the Moon takes a geosynchronous orbit. The Moon was moved from an orbit 384,399 km from the Earth to one that could have been as close as 42,164 km and magically moved back!

 

[Sol88]

By the way, I am mentioning electric currents in my upcoming Rosetta RPC paper, I guess I will be shunned now by my colleagues.

We all look forward to the paper, Tusenfem

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Was that an apology for Kristian Birkeland, I heard? Dude nailed it 1908 How does that make you feel Jonesdave116? bit behind the times?

Tom Bridgeman has just written an article that exposes the problems associated with Birkeland's theories:

Birkeland proposed THREE possible solar electrical configurations:

1. Photosphere is cathode & anode located below.
2. Photosphere is cathode & anode located above in corona
3. Photosphere is cathode & anode located above in interplanetary space

Each one of these models above have the same problem: How is the electric potential maintained?

Electric Universe: The Three Suns of Kristian Birkeland. Part I

And predictably, our good friends over at the Thunderdolts Forum have already begun squealing like stuck pigs:

I think it’s time to demonstrate the dishonest and unethical behaviors of the mainstream, and their attempt at engaging themselves in a public disinformation campaign with respect to EU/PC theory, in this case by Tom Bridgman. The amount of time that haters spend in public intentionally *misrepresenting* the work of various EU/PC authors is simply staggering, appalling and highly unethical.

Professional misconduct with respect to public EU/PC haters