Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Well let us see what is actually in that video from Dec 30, 2014 especially @2:20.
Starts with lying about "sublimating volatiles over time surely would not create the sharp, rock-like appearance of the comet".
Sublimating volatiles over time in the low gravity of a comet are expected to produce the observed features.

A fantasy abut standard models never predicting "such things" as debris fields.

More argument from ignorance. Astronomers were not surprised that ices and dust formed "flat and smooth layers with distinct boundaries between them" on 67P.

A lie about the EU community doing experiments over the past 15 years. The EU community rarely does science and even more rarely does valid science experiments. They certainly have not done any experiments in cometary conditions, e.g. ices and dust in vacuum.

There is a repeated delusion that the trivial fact that electric fields move dust means that the comet features comprised of ices and dust can be explained this way.

There is a repeated delusion that there is only dust on the surface of 67P.

There is a bit of implied cowardliness by not properly citing images labelled "Experiment: Billy Yelverton" and "Experiment: Zane Parker". These look like EU cranks doing high school science level demonstrations rather than published scientific experiments.
 
Are we now allowed to call Thornhill the C-in-C of EU garbage? When I say C-in-C, obviously I mean cretin in charge. He has seriously lost it.
I watched the first 10 minutes of that video and found so much ignorance and lies that I stopped before my brain exploded. Wallace Thornhill goes on for another 50 or so minutes so "seriously lost it" is a good description.
 
amazing results from rosetta's virtis team
water ice cycle on 67p/cg
http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/09/23/rosetta-reveals-comets-water-ice-cycle/


Amazing!!!

The scientists have found that water ice is present on colder patches, while it is less abundant or absent on warmer patches. In addition, water ice was only detected on a patch of the surface when it was cast in shadow. This indicates a cyclical behavior of water ice during each comet rotation.

Ice is less abundant where is HOT and more abundant where it's COLD...bloody amazing these scientist!!! :rolleyes:

And teams of people work on this?


but they are correct on the
This indicates a cyclical behavior of water ice during each comet rotation.

What happens to the other volatile "ice's"???
 
Amazing!!!
Yes, Sol88, real science is amazing :p!

ETA: Your quote does not appear in the linked article - it is in a caption for the first image. If you had actually read the article you would see that the cycle was found because water ice vanished and reappeared. It is not that water ices are abundant in shadows and less abundant elsewhere.
Rosetta reveals comet’s water-ice cycle
The team studied a set of data taken in September 2014, concentrating on a one square km region on the comet’s neck. At the time, the comet was about 500 million km from the Sun and the neck was one of the most active areas.

As the comet rotates, taking just over 12 hours to complete a full revolution, the various regions undergo different illumination.

“We saw the tell-tale signature of water ice in the spectra of the study region but only when certain portions were cast in shadow,” says Maria Cristina.

“Conversely, when the Sun was shining on these regions, the ice was gone. This indicates a cyclical behaviour of water ice during each comet rotation.”
The paper is about the detection of water ice - the stuff you have fantasized before about not existing on comets. I doubt that the cycle exists for other volatile ices (no quotes!) since CO2, CH4, etc. generally freeze at much lower temperatures than H20. So a cycle that has H2O freezing is unlikely to have other ices freezing.
 
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Starts with lying about "sublimating volatiles over time surely would not create the sharp, rock-like appearance of the comet".

Sublimating volatiles over time in the low gravity of a comet are expected to produce the observed features.

<ECH-supporter>I bet they set up a simulation and massaged the number until they got the answers they wanted. It's just common sense that ice wouldn't look like rock.</ECH-supporter>
 
Furthermore: for those interested, there will be a press conference from the EPSC with Matt Taylor, Matteo Massironi (OSIRIS Team, Univ Padova) and Fabrizio Capaccioni (VIRTIS Principal Investigator, INAF-IAPS) starting at 1300 GMT or 1500 CEST.
 
Interesting paper. Have there been/ will there be any measurements to look at possible surface charging? If it hasn't already been done, then I assume we'll have to wait until the comet is less active, and Rosetta is in a closer orbit.

Tom already has a paper on Cassini measuring a psrtocle beam from Hyperion caused by surface charge. I have no knowledge of our rpc instruments measuring something similar. But analysis has just started, there is weeks and months of data to go through.
 
My friends Tom, Geraint and Andrew, and two others wrote a great paper about modeling Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.
Good paper.
The electric comet supporters obsess with surface charging on comets as if it were something new but this has been thought about for 30 years or more!
Objects exposed to inflowing plasma and solar UV photons experience charging currents due to electron and ion bombardment, photoemission, and secondary electron emission (Whipple, 1981). ... It has been predicted that surface charging may also occur on cometary nuclei during periods of low outgassing activity, when solar wind plasma and solar UV photons are allowed direct access to the nucleus (Mendis et al., 1981). It has also been suggested that surface charging of the nucleus may lead to electrostatic levitation of small dust particles (Flammer et al., 1986, Juhász and Szegő, 1998 and Mendis et al., 1981) and that electrostatic dust blow-off may explain sudden changes in the observed brightness of comet Halley at large heliocentric distances (Flammer et al., 1986).
 
Good paper.
The electric comet supporters obsess with surface charging on comets as if it were something new but this has been thought about for 30 years or more!

Good Paper???

Great paper!

Pretty much confirmation of this whole thread (The Electric Comet) and most things I banged on about for 7 years :D

Hey, they even threw in spacecraft charging and the dust levitation on the moon!!! I can distinctly remember some members participating in this thread having a real laugh, doggie style if I recall, on these things.

Well I sit here now Reality Check and :dl: :dl:

Now onto the next problem (for the mainstream), 0.4 g/cm3 :blush:
 
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Good Paper???

Great paper!
Followed by delusions and lies about the paper, Sol88.
The delusion that this scientific paper has anything to do with the electric comet dogma preached by the Thunderbolts cult is obvious.
No imaginary electric discharges in Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.
No insanity of comets being rocks in Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.
No ignorance of over 30 years of science in Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.

93 days and counting being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

Have you retained a blind belief in the "prophet" Wallace Thornhill after his latest delusional video about gravity, Sol88?
Wallace Thornhill has provided more evidence of "Drinking the Kool-Aid": Wallace Thornhill: The Long Path to Understanding Gravity | EU2015

Over 6 years of delusion about the density of comets from Sol88: The measured density of 67P is 0.4 g/cc.
10th July 2009 Sol88: Electric comet predicts density like asteroid: TOTAL FAIL :eek:!/URL]
 
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The absolute idiocy of EU fantasists that believe anything involving the word "electric" is somehow confirmation of their evidence-free fantasies! We have known about this for decades! It is not news! Go look at the science. Stop looking at aboriginal rock art and actually do some science. Or at the very least, try to understand it.
 
Good Paper???

Great paper!

Pretty much confirmation of this whole thread (The Electric Comet) and most things I banged on about for 7 years :D

Complete b*llocks. You need idiotic voltages from some sort of currents to bake rock, turn it into O-, which we don't see, only O+, and then this must combine with the solar wind H+ moving at ~400km/s to produce water vapour? Sorry mate, get an education.
 
Followed by delusions and lies about the paper, Sol88.
The delusion that this scientific paper has anything to do with the electric comet dogma preached by the Thunderbolts cult is obvious.
No imaginary electric discharges in Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.
No insanity of comets being rocks in Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.
No ignorance of over 30 years of science in Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.

93 days and counting being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

Have you retained a blind belief in the "prophet" Wallace Thornhill after his latest delusional video about gravity, Sol88?
Wallace Thornhill has provided more evidence of "Drinking the Kool-Aid": Wallace Thornhill: The Long Path to Understanding Gravity | EU2015

Over 6 years of delusion about the density of comets from Sol88: The measured density of 67P is 0.4 g/cc.
10th July 2009 Sol88: Electric comet predicts density like asteroid: TOTAL FAIL :eek:!/URL]


No imaginary electric discharges in [URL="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S003206331500238X"]Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity.
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Just show me, Sol88 qualitative and quantitative how this is supposed to work. Not just tiny quotes from press releases, but the whole thingamajik.

Charging of the comet nucleus
EDM on a singly charged nucleus
Release of oxygen ions (most likely positively charged)
Reaction with the solar wind protons (also positively charged, possibly highly energetic)

Please show in detail that the amount of water group ions that is observed around a comet and in its tail can be produced by this mechanism.

Hoping to hear back from you soon with the math and chemical reactions to back yourself up.

Yours truly
Tusenfem

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