Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[jonesdave116]

Go watch the live cross, no one is denying the dust, which includes extremely high temperature flash formed minerals, just none observed on the surface.

Ask the principal investigator Stefano!

also the Tempel 1 findings don't pass the sniff test when they find trivial ice on the surface but just next door they have receding "icy" cliffs!

And what do you think they saw coming out of the impact zone at ~2.7 microns? Come on, tell us, Einstein. Chalk? Silicon? Gravy? Come on, do the dirty work that the well known idiot Thornhill wouldn't do.
What was it?

 

[Reality Check]

Jonesdave116 STATED the Earth has a molten iron core, not me!

jonesdave116 stated the established science about the Earth having a molten core.
You idiotically demanded that there has to be a sample of the Earth's core

We have images of dust being bowing off 67P in jets.
We have Rosetta collecting samples of that dust and seeing that is it "fine".
We have the lander measurement of a layer of dust on top of ices.

Stefano Mottola said no fine dust detected by ROLIS because ROLIS images show no fine dust on the surface of 67P. You lied with "we see NO dust!"


More seriously you lie yet again about no surface ices - surface water ice have been detected on Tempel 1 and 67P. Comets are made of ices and dust - every image contains surface ices

 

[Reality Check]

Variable spin rate of the nucleus is gunna be fun from a sublimating comets theory!

Jets are not distributed evenly around the comet.
Jets are not equally strong.
Jets are at various angles.
High school students are taught classical mechanics and that these jets will make the nucleus spin vary.

But a believer of Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System to explain various myths in recent times, has already discarded all they know about high school science, Sol88 !

 

[Reality Check]

also the Tempel 1 findings don't pass the sniff test when they find trivial ice on the surface but just next door they have receding "icy" cliffs!

Also you are lying about the Tempel 1 findings, Sol88.
There were small amounts of surface water ice found on Tempel 1.
Those icy cliffs were made up of ices !
Temple 1 is made up of ices and dust as detected in the ejecta of Deep Impact. Speaking of which:
50 days and counting of being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[Reality Check]

Haig has returned for a couple of posts so I will point out that he has the same gullibility as Sol88.
Haig is a believer of Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System to explain various myths in recent times. For example

• Venus erupted from Jupiter (Greek and Roman myths have Venus erupting from Jupiter)
• Venus stopped the Earth from spinning and then restored it with exactly the same spin (Bible myth).

This is via his unthinking belief in the Thunderbolts authors who have added their own layer of delusion to this delusion.

• Talbott wrote a book where Saturn used to be above the North Pole because Egyptian myths have Saturn in the north.
• Thornhill thinks that the Grand Canyon was created by electric discharges.

They wrote Thunderbolts of the Gods together with the fantasy that during these imaginary encounters there were electrical discharges between planets. It is these electrical discharges that magically blasted asteroids and comets from the surface of rocky planets. Thus the assumption that comet are rocks and the frantic squirming to deny the real measurements by various methods of the density of comets.[

 

[Sol88]

Haig has returned for a couple of posts so I will point out that he has the same gullibility as Sol88.
Haig is a believer of Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System to explain various myths in recent times. For example

• Venus erupted from Jupiter (Greek and Roman myths have Venus erupting from Jupiter)
• Venus stopped the Earth from spinning and then restored it with exactly the same spin (Bible myth).

This is via his unthinking belief in the Thunderbolts authors who have added their own layer of delusion to this delusion.

• Talbott wrote a book where Saturn used to be above the North Pole because Egyptian myths have Saturn in the north.
• Thornhill thinks that the Grand Canyon was created by electric discharges.

They wrote Thunderbolts of the Gods together with the fantasy that during these imaginary encounters there were electrical discharges between planets. It is these electrical discharges that magically blasted asteroids and comets from the surface of rocky planets. Thus the assumption that comet are rocks and the frantic squirming to deny the real measurements by various methods of the density of comets.[

Seems it does happen on comets though!

 

[Sol88]

Also you are lying about the Tempel 1 findings, Sol88.
There were small amounts of surface water ice found on Tempel 1.
Those icy cliffs were made up of ices !
Temple 1 is made up of ices and dust as detected in the ejecta of Deep Impact. Speaking of which:
50 days and counting of being afraid of doing simple physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

Example of a cluster of bright spots on Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko found in the Khepry region (top) and an individual boulder with bright patches on its surface in the Hatmehit region (bottom). The bright patches are thought to be exposures of water-ice.

Oh, I thought they were glow discharges!

 

[Sol88]

if you had been paying attention, sweety, you would know that that is exactly what i have posted, and what is discussed in the annales paoer, and what i have discussed and discussed, the cross-field current creating an instability.

khg us my pi, not my boss, but a very good friend.

i am not gagged, you just have sjyt in your eyes reading answers and explanations.

Like in comets are an electrical discharge phenomena within the sun plasma!

Oh, ok then, everything is electrical/plasma except for the sublimation (never observed) even Joel Parker @42:01 admits dense high energy electrons dominate over solar wind photons but YOU still invoke hidden DUST and ICE gently warming in the heat of the sun to liberate them and cause a 100A current to flow!

Bit like needing tidal heating on Io to account for the 2 trillion watt ELECTRICAL connection to Jupiter!

 

[Sol88]

if you had been paying attention, sweety, you would know that that is exactly what i have posted, and what is discussed in the annales paoer, and what i have discussed and discussed, the cross-field current creating an instability.

khg us my pi, not my boss, but a very good friend.

i am not gagged, you just have sjyt in your eyes reading answers and explanations.

Is that the one where they state the Lorentz force is acting on the picked up ions?

Do you have a copy I may be able to read?

 

[jonesdave116]

Like in comets are an electrical discharge phenomena within the sun plasma!

Oh, ok then, everything is electrical/plasma except for the sublimation (never observed) even Joel Parker @42:01 admits dense high energy electrons dominate over solar wind photons but YOU still invoke hidden DUST and ICE gently warming in the heat of the sun to liberate them and cause a 100A current to flow!

Bit like needing tidal heating on Io to account for the 2 trillion watt ELECTRICAL connection to Jupiter!

Jesus, your delusion knows no bounds, does it? Look up a definition of 'diamagnetic cavity'. There is nothing electrical going on on the surface of this comet. If there were there would be signs of it. It would be detected. Electric currents create magnetic fields. The comet, and the region within 4000 km of Halley, and within at least 186 km of 67P on 29 July, has no magnetic fields. That means, yet again, that there is no electrical activity within this cavity. There are no solar wind ions, with their easily detected magnetic field, within the cavity. It is an electric woo free zone.
And yet outgassing still occurs. How? Explain it genius.
If these currents you prattle on about were actually produced by the Sun, they would be detected. They are caused by interactions with other bodies which create those fields and various phenomena. If there was any current coming from the Sun it would be detected by various satellites and spacecraft that have been flying around for decades. They would be affected by such currents. They aren't seen because they aren't there. They would be obvious, and detectable everywhere. If you want to create a thread on the non-existent electric Sun garbage, I suggest you do that. The fact remains that for this comet you have absolutely zero evidence for any of this nonsense causing the outgassing. Zilch.

 

[jonesdave116]

Oh, I thought they were glow discharges!

You can think what you like. Evidence would be good. Such as, what would the temperature be in these bright regions, if they were these non-existent glow discharges? How come the temperature data show no anomalies?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Are you saying Stefano Mottola PI for ROLIS is lying?

And do you have a sample of the earths molten iron core?

Are you now saying that the Earth doesn't have a molten iron core?

 

[Sol88]

Jesus, your delusion knows no bounds, does it? Look up a definition of 'diamagnetic cavity'. There is nothing electrical going on on the surface of this comet. If there were there would be signs of it. It would be detected. Electric currents create magnetic fields. The comet, and the region within 4000 km of Halley, and within at least 186 km of 67P on 29 July, has no magnetic fields. That means, yet again, that there is no electrical activity within this cavity. There are no solar wind ions, with their easily detected magnetic field, within the cavity. It is an electric woo free zone.
And yet outgassing still occurs. How? Explain it genius.
If these currents you prattle on about were actually produced by the Sun, they would be detected. They are caused by interactions with other bodies which create those fields and various phenomena. If there was any current coming from the Sun it would be detected by various satellites and spacecraft that have been flying around for decades. They would be affected by such currents. They aren't seen because they aren't there. They would be obvious, and detectable everywhere. If you want to create a thread on the non-existent electric Sun garbage, I suggest you do that. The fact remains that for this comet you have absolutely zero evidence for any of this nonsense causing the outgassing. Zilch.

Really??? Do try and keep up with us.

Spacecraft Charging

When a spacecraft has a net charge, positive or negative, the net charge generates an electric field according to Gauss’s law. Space plasmas are assumed neutral. Although the plasma den* sities may fluctuate, their time scales (inverse of plasma frequencies) are much faster than spacecraft potential variations. Spacecraft charging takes a longer time than the ambient plasma fluctuations because it takes time to fill up capacitances.

 

[Sol88]

You can think what you like. Evidence would be good. Such as, what would the temperature be in these bright regions, if they were these non-existent glow discharges? How come the temperature data show no anomalies?

Lets go take a look ay?

There is so much contradictory information at the moment (with in the mainstream model old dirtysnowball theory/s) it's very hard to keep everything in sight.

Take Holger Sierks new statement that the "jets" now come, SURPRISINGLY, from flatlands and he's having trouble reconciling the heat transport thru to the imaginary "ice" to form explosive jets through a surface that supposedly 75%-80% porous and strongly consolidated. 1:37:01

but I suppose if you make it confusing enough you make anything you want up!

 

[Sol88]

Are you now saying that the Earth doesn't have a molten iron core?

off topic

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Really??? Do try and keep up with us.

Spacecraft Charging

It's a fascinating paper.
Which you seem to not have read past the bit where it mentioned charging.

1: It specifically mentions the plasma in space is neutral, which goes agains every EU theory out there.
2: It specifically mentions that this is a phenomena that occurs with spacecraft in planetary orbits due to the planet's magnetic fields. It mentions nothing about the imaginary EU streams.

So your supporting paper disproves your theories. Which again seems to show just how juvenile and unresearched the whole EU theories are.

 

[Dancing David]

It's a fascinating paper.
Which you seem to not have read past the bit where it mentioned charging.

1: It specifically mentions the plasma in space is neutral, which goes agains every EU theory out there.
2: It specifically mentions that this is a phenomena that occurs with spacecraft in planetary orbits due to the planet's magnetic fields. It mentions nothing about the imaginary EU streams.

So your supporting paper disproves your theories. Which again seems to show just how juvenile and unresearched the whole EU theories are.

I am shocked this has happened again.

 

[tusenfem]

Variable spin rate of the nucleus is gunna be fun from a sublimating comets theory!

Have a crack at that RC, before you can run and hide behind "people more knowledgeable than you" again.

Not convinced you can think for yourself any more

That's a shame.

how that exactly?
i guess you are going to give us a full explanation for thius claim?



(not)

 

[tusenfem]

Like in comets are an electrical discharge phenomena within the sun plasma!

Oh, ok then, everything is electrical/plasma except for the sublimation (never observed) even Joel Parker @42:01 admits dense high energy electrons dominate over solar wind photons but YOU still invoke hidden DUST and ICE gently warming in the heat of the sun to liberate them and cause a 100A current to flow!

Bit like needing tidal heating on Io to account for the 2 trillion watt ELECTRICAL connection to Jupiter!

there are no electric discharges, please show me evidence of the contrary

it can well be that electrons dominate over photons, how do photons relate to dust and ice?

nobidy needs tidal heating for the current in the io flux tube, you nitwit, we need tidal heatuing for the volcanic activity

can you please show more of your scientific illiteracy?

 

[tusenfem]

Is that the one where they state the Lorentz force is acting on the picked up ions?

Do you have a copy I may be able to read?

as soon as it is online at annales geiphysicae you can download it yourself, it is in post-production i assume

but apparently you have not paid attention to anything i say here





(not a surprise)