Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[jonesdave116]

Let's start with the 100 Ampere current shall we?

Sounds an awful lot like a conductor moving thru a magnetic field!

We did it in an experiment like that on the STS-75 (video) mission, why we never did it again surprises me!

I think you'll find the clue was in the graphic you posted; ionisation of cometary neutrals by solar UV. Ions then interact with known and measured solar wind and IMF.
Nothing there about non-existent electric woo on the comet, or unexpected, non-observed currents from the Sun.
As usual, plenty of (bad) interpretations, and still zero evidence.

 

[Sol88]

I think you'll find the clue was in the graphic you posted; ionisation of cometary neutrals by solar UV. Ions then interact with known and measured solar wind and IMF.
Nothing there about non-existent electric woo on the comet, or unexpected, non-observed currents from the Sun.
As usual, plenty of (bad) interpretations, and still zero evidence.

Why could we not measure the magnetic field associated with a 100A ELECTRIC CURRENT?

 

[Sol88]

@Tusenfem

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Why would you? Your scientific knowledge is negligible. Particularly where it relates to comets.

ETA:

Like to sum up the evidence for the rocky electric comet for us at this stage? Shouldn't take long. Get on with it.

Whilst were on the evidence thing me 'ol mate can you tell Stefano Mottola PI for ROLIS that the comet MUST HAVE DUST!

surprised to find no fine dust...ok where do you think the fine dust is located Jonedave116? Should be good for a giggle

Because he say's at 0:40 we see NO dust!

We see gravel/pebbles and we'll have to work out were these came from!


Mmmmm.... from the rock that is 67P!


Looks, again like your dirty snowball is in serious trouble most probably fatal only to be saved with ad hoc and bizarre explanation that until you have dig sound plausible

 

[Sol88]

I think you'll find the clue was in the graphic you posted; ionisation of cometary neutrals by solar UV. Ions then interact with known and measured solar wind and IMF.
Nothing there about non-existent electric woo on the comet, or unexpected, non-observed currents from the Sun.
As usual, plenty of (bad) interpretations, and still zero evidence.

So, no DUST or ICE on the surface! so of course invoke your magical pink unicorns and hide it under the poorly thermally conducting very porous surface, that has cracks and fractures (but no sublimation strangely), never to be tested by Philea!

brilliant dodge and weave there sport!

 

[Sol88]

I think you'll find the clue was in the graphic you posted; ionisation of cometary neutrals by solar UV. Ions then interact with known and measured solar wind and IMF.
Nothing there about non-existent electric woo on the comet, or unexpected, non-observed currents from the Sun.
As usual, plenty of (bad) interpretations, and still zero evidence.

or unexpected, non-observed currents from the Sun.

THEMIS mission

In 2007, THEMIS "found evidence of magnetic ropes connecting Earth's upper atmosphere directly to the Sun," reconfirming the theory of solar-terrestrial electrical interaction (via "Birkeland currents" or "field-aligned currents") proposed by Kristian Birkeland circa 1908.[6][7] NASA also likened the interaction to a "30 kiloVolt battery in space," noting the "flux rope pumps 650,000 Amp current into the Arctic!"[8]

Was that an apology for Kristian Birkeland, I heard? Dude nailed it 1908 How does that make you feel Jonesdave116? bit behind the times?

 

[Sol88]

@ Reality Check

Feel free to chime in anytime cobber!

 

[jonesdave116]

or unexpected, non-observed currents from the Sun.

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THEMIS mission



Was that an apology I heard?

So where are these currents around the comet? Have a look at the magnetic data preceding, during and following the jet observed on 29 July. <70nT down to ~2nT. No electric currents in that cavity. None in the cavity at Halley. No solar wind, and only cometary ions detected. Where are they coming from? Not the solar wind and nothing electrical. Sunlight still gets through, though.

 

[jonesdave116]

Just to clarify for anybody who might be confused: Earth is a fairly large rocky planet, with a molten iron core. Hence the magnetosphere.
67P is a rather small comet composed of various ices and dust. It doesn't have a molten core.

 

[Sol88]

Just to clarify for anybody who might be confused: Earth is a fairly large rocky planet, with a molten iron core. Hence the magnetosphere.
67P is a rather small comet composed of various ices and dust. It doesn't have a molten core.

Are you saying Stefano Mottola PI for ROLIS is lying?

And do you have a sample of the earths molten iron core?

 

[Sol88]

Hilarious watching you back peddle!

Nearly as funny as watching

 

[Sol88]

So where are these currents around the comet? Have a look at the magnetic data preceding, during and following the jet observed on 29 July. <70nT down to ~2nT. No electric currents in that cavity. None in the cavity at Halley. No solar wind, and only cometary ions detected. Where are they coming from? Not the solar wind and nothing electrical. Sunlight still gets through, though.

To the non existent "ice" and "dust"?????

 

[jonesdave116]

Hilarious watching you back peddle!

Nearly as funny as watching

Back peddle from what? The idiocy of misinterpreting what happens in the Earth's magnetosphere, and how that somehow relates to a comet?
The effects and currents seen in the magnetosphere are not produced by enormous electric currents from the Sun. They are controlled and magnified due to the presence of the planet and its magnetosphere.
None of this has anything to do with comets. They have not seen any evidence of electric currents on the surface of this comet. The solar wind and its magnetic field is no longer reaching the surface of the comet. There will no doubt, just as at Halley, be some interesting effects at the boundary of the diamagnetic cavity, where the solar wind MF is piling up. None of that has any effect whatsover on what is happening on the surface of the comet.
Why would anyone backpeddle from psuedoscientific nonsense and misinterpretation?

 

[Sol88]

RPC principal investigator Karl-Heinz Glaßmeier, your Boss Tusenfem?

What is he saying?

Are you allowed to say, Tusenfem?

 

[Sol88]

Back peddle from what? The idiocy of misinterpreting what happens in the Earth's magnetosphere, and how that somehow relates to a comet?
The effects and currents seen in the magnetosphere are not produced by enormous electric currents from the Sun. They are controlled and magnified due to the presence of the planet and its magnetosphere.
None of this has anything to do with comets. They have not seen any evidence of electric currents on the surface of this comet. The solar wind and its magnetic field is no longer reaching the surface of the comet. There will no doubt, just as at Halley, be some interesting effects at the boundary of the diamagnetic cavity, where the solar wind MF is piling up. None of that has any effect whatsover on what is happening on the surface of the comet.
Why would anyone backpeddle from psuedoscientific nonsense and misinterpretation?

You said no currents had been measured....oh I see just 'None of this has anything to do with comets."

Did you not play connect the dots as a kid?

Would you like to borrow my crayons?

The common DOT to join...THE ELECTRIC SUN!

 

[jonesdave116]

To the non existent "ice" and "dust"?????

What the hell are you on about now? They've seen dust. They've seen what is almost certainly ice. They've detected water vapour and CO2 and various other gases. They excavated H2O from Tempel 1.
So no, there is plenty of evidence for ice and dust. Including the density, which isn't that of rock, by the way.
What we see no evidence of is electric woo, or enormous increases in the solar wind flux to create the observed gases.
As I keep saying, you have zero evidence for this crankery.

 

[jonesdave116]

You said no currents had been measured....oh I see just 'None of this has anything to do with comets."

Did you not play connect the dots as a kid?

Would you like to borrow my crayons?

The common DOT to join...THE ELECTRIC SUN!

Again, what the hell are you on about? There is zero evidence for the electric sun woo. But this is not the thread for that. This is about comets and the total lack of evidence for any electric woo thereon.

 

[Sol88]

Thank you Holger Sierks! (watching the perihelion hangout, brilliant "jet" photos/movies)

 

[Sol88]

I think you'll find the clue was in the graphic you posted; ionisation of cometary neutrals by solar UV. Ions then interact with known and measured solar wind and IMF.
Nothing there about non-existent electric woo on the comet, or unexpected, non-observed currents from the Sun.
As usual, plenty of (bad) interpretations, and still zero evidence.

Not what was said in the perihelion hangout, energetic electrons are!

Variable nucleus spin rate?

and the jets come from the flatlands??


This just keeps gettn better and better!

 

[Belz...]

Ugh. Why do laymen think they know more than experts. Stupid Dunning-Kruger effect.

 

[jonesdave116]

Not what was said in the perihelion hangout, energetic electrons are!

Variable nucleus spin rate?

and the jets come from the flatlands??


This just keeps gettn better and better!

No, it doesn't, as you still have zero evidence for any of the EC fantasies.