IsThisTheLife
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Really, though, why do you people just take what you're fed as gospel? Are you not "skeptics"?
"But Global Warming is a HOAX!!!"
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lobosrul5
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Disbelieving the scientific community that has presented well thought out and logical theories for why phenomena is occurring, backed by enormous amounts of evidence... is not being skeptical. Its being obstinate.
gnome
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You want us to forego what's presented with sources and supporting detail, and replace it with YOUR gospel that has nothing of the sort?
gnome
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Keep going, I think you've got us all in the crushing grip of logic now.
Live: Climate change threat 'existential' says Joe Biden (BBC, July 27, 2023)
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As Americans Face Extreme Heat, MAGA Republicans Still Ignore Climate Change (Democrats.org, July 27, 2023)
Not a surprise!
Not a surprise!
WATCH: Biden announces actions to protect people from extreme heat (Washington Post on YouTube, July 27, 2023)
Begins at 36:00, ends at 1:00:30:
President Biden delivers remarks and announces actions to protect communities from excessive heat on July 27.
Read more: https://wapo.st/47aBGT4
"I don't think anybody can deny the impact of climate change anymore."
Well, Joe, Meet IsThisTheLife!
Begins at 36:00, ends at 1:00:30:
President Biden delivers remarks and announces actions to protect communities from excessive heat on July 27.
Read more: https://wapo.st/47aBGT4
"I don't think anybody can deny the impact of climate change anymore."
Well, Joe, Meet IsThisTheLife!
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lobosrul5
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... yeah its an emergency, now that the heat is heading to the east coast. 
sphenisc
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It could be your conversion from ppm to %.
novaphile
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Stop posting ******** like this.
My hot showers are free, from two solar-thermal panels (two because I want to collect enough heat during winter).
If you keep promoting the "Wah we all have to live like cave men ********, you're actively hurting the environment."
Our free hot showers began after the cost of the solar heater was covered by savings not buying LP gas. My electric chainsaw is made of plastic (petroleum) and uses not very environmental batteries. But I am not buying and using gasoline.
Walking and bike use means I can't go far nor fast. So I rely on others running big trucks for transporting the stuff I use within the distances I go.
Everything is a compromise.
The three (or four) R's are a big part of my habits out of need. It doesn't matter I eat at a table I made myself or yard waste is hauled in a makeshift cart.
But I doubt any of this has much impact on climate change.
I kinda trust the science, can't verify they are totally correct or even guess how far off the consensus is.
So my family made changes. Primarily for economic reasons but a secondary attempt to alleviate the damage our family was doing. Without a total sacrifice of lifestyle and interests.
Offer me an affordable solution to a wasteful process we use, that fits within our climate and we probably would try to install it.
Solutions and eco safe methods of doing what we already do are what any of us will make effort to employ. You can't shut down capitolism and all industry because we need it for making progress possible.
The rest is just empty talk.
Walking and bike use means I can't go far nor fast. So I rely on others running big trucks for transporting the stuff I use within the distances I go.
Everything is a compromise.
The three (or four) R's are a big part of my habits out of need. It doesn't matter I eat at a table I made myself or yard waste is hauled in a makeshift cart.
But I doubt any of this has much impact on climate change.
I kinda trust the science, can't verify they are totally correct or even guess how far off the consensus is.
So my family made changes. Primarily for economic reasons but a secondary attempt to alleviate the damage our family was doing. Without a total sacrifice of lifestyle and interests.
Offer me an affordable solution to a wasteful process we use, that fits within our climate and we probably would try to install it.
Solutions and eco safe methods of doing what we already do are what any of us will make effort to employ. You can't shut down capitolism and all industry because we need it for making progress possible.
The rest is just empty talk.
This is where I find myself today, a better day. Ethically and materially, trying to live consuming less is worth doing. I certainly know going full nihilist doesn't ever help me, though I'd hardly say my locus of control is deep within me these days.
I'm starting to think, I guess, sensible preppery? I need to get going on getting all my Madonna records on a home server, for instance. Ideally one that can run on solar power or potato rot.
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gnome
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... yeah its an emergency, now that the heat is heading to the east coast.
I think any question of timing is more about when there's a political opportunity (as in enough will in Congress) rather than his personal opinion. I think he's been on board for a while.
Pixel42
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It's not as if the science is that hard to understand, and the evidence for it is so overwhelming that denying it requires industrial quantities of willful ignorance. The emotional investment in whatever belief it is that is so threatened by it must be enormous.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Do you even know what a positive feedback is? Look it up, FFS.
Hint: you were right when you said:
IsThisTheLife said:
The climate forcing that causes the rise and fall in global surface temperature which explains glaciations and interglacials, the Milankovich cycles, does not explain the amplitude of those peaks and troughs in temperature. They are much bigger than the Milankovich cycles alone can explain. Work it out for yourself.
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Back at you, novaphile! Stop posting ******** like this:
Congratulations with your hot showers, which you ought to understand was an example that I made up, instead of using one of the things you mentioned, but I obviously hit a sore spot with my comment, which is why you don't address my point at all.
The individual solutions to global warming work as well as trying to stop war by becoming a conscientious objector. (Which I was, by the way: an objector, but not particularly conscientious. I had no illusions that it was a way of stopping war, but I calculated that I would be less likely to be conscripted to participate in one even though it is no guarantee at all. It doesn't do anything to prevent wars because there are still plenty of nationalists everywhere who are more than willing to sacrifice their own lives and the lives of others when their war-faring nations call upon them to do so.)
So let me repeat what I was actually promoting. You know, the exact same thing that you wish you could order me to "stop posting": Much the same way that conscientious (!) objectors don't do anything to stop war, your personal (and other people's personal) sacrifice (or contribution ... whatever) to stop (or diminish) CO2 emission doesn't do anything to actually stop it. It is nothing but virtue signaling, a way of feeling good about yourself - while letting ******** like Bill Maher continue to contribute to the greenhouse effect on a scale that cancels out whatever it is you take pride in doing. (That he is honest about it doesn't in any way cancel out what he is doing. Republicans love him for both flying a private jet and sticking it to the Libs at the same time!)
And you know this even though you don't want to admit that you know because you want to feel good about yourself while letting them continue to destroy the planet.
All you can tell yourself is that 'well, at least I didn't personally contribute to the CO2 emissions', which isn't even true: Your Tesla no doubt did - unless it was manufactured using solar and wind exclusively to power the process, which I doubt is the case. (Even though industry might want you to think so when they are greensplaining how environmentally friendly their products are. It's a message that's easy to sell because people like to believe it.)
This is also the reason why I never describe e.g. my biking as my sacrifice or contribution to lower greenhouse gas emissions: It's not something that we have the power to control on an individual level at all, and it doesn't work unless it is implemented on a larger scale, like whole cities and infrastructure based on promoting it. 'Nudging' on a societal scale.
My concern isn't to feel good about myself. My concern is we must put a stop to this, an actual stop. And cold showers (which, as mentioned above, were just an example, carefully chosen not to be one of yours) don't do it. You may get a medal for it, but it does nothing whatsoever for the environment.
Congratulations with your hot showers, which you ought to understand was an example that I made up, instead of using one of the things you mentioned, but I obviously hit a sore spot with my comment, which is why you don't address my point at all.
The individual solutions to global warming work as well as trying to stop war by becoming a conscientious objector. (Which I was, by the way: an objector, but not particularly conscientious. I had no illusions that it was a way of stopping war, but I calculated that I would be less likely to be conscripted to participate in one even though it is no guarantee at all. It doesn't do anything to prevent wars because there are still plenty of nationalists everywhere who are more than willing to sacrifice their own lives and the lives of others when their war-faring nations call upon them to do so.)
So let me repeat what I was actually promoting. You know, the exact same thing that you wish you could order me to "stop posting": Much the same way that conscientious (!) objectors don't do anything to stop war, your personal (and other people's personal) sacrifice (or contribution ... whatever) to stop (or diminish) CO2 emission doesn't do anything to actually stop it. It is nothing but virtue signaling, a way of feeling good about yourself - while letting ******** like Bill Maher continue to contribute to the greenhouse effect on a scale that cancels out whatever it is you take pride in doing. (That he is honest about it doesn't in any way cancel out what he is doing. Republicans love him for both flying a private jet and sticking it to the Libs at the same time!)
And you know this even though you don't want to admit that you know because you want to feel good about yourself while letting them continue to destroy the planet.
All you can tell yourself is that 'well, at least I didn't personally contribute to the CO2 emissions', which isn't even true: Your Tesla no doubt did - unless it was manufactured using solar and wind exclusively to power the process, which I doubt is the case. (Even though industry might want you to think so when they are greensplaining how environmentally friendly their products are. It's a message that's easy to sell because people like to believe it.)
This is also the reason why I never describe e.g. my biking as my sacrifice or contribution to lower greenhouse gas emissions: It's not something that we have the power to control on an individual level at all, and it doesn't work unless it is implemented on a larger scale, like whole cities and infrastructure based on promoting it. 'Nudging' on a societal scale.
My concern isn't to feel good about myself. My concern is we must put a stop to this, an actual stop. And cold showers (which, as mentioned above, were just an example, carefully chosen not to be one of yours) don't do it. You may get a medal for it, but it does nothing whatsoever for the environment.
No, the investment, the actual investment, isn't very high and it pays off for the industry.
(I am obviously trying to turn this around and make you realize that this is a not so much a question of what average Joe and Jane think but of what Big Oil's campaigns make them think.)
There may be a few idiots out there (and there are, obviously!) who are willfully ignorant, but the vast majority of people are merely confused by what they have heard - AmyStrange yesterday is a good example - and what they have heard is and was deliberate disinformation from the fossil fuel industry and their paid politicians.
As long as the population remains unsure enough to justify that politicians do nothing about it, the investment pays off in spite of what the majority may think:
Estimated % of adults who think global warming is happening (nat'l avg. 72%), 2021
I assume that this summer has added to the percentage.
This is also the reason why IsThisTheLife is desperately trying to promote the idea that even though global warming is obviously happening, it's by no means anthropogenic and Big Oil can't be blamed. Right now, it's about making the silent majority remain silent. Confusing people is the best way to accomplish that.
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It's nothing but a diversionary tactic by the big polluters to push for ways in which individuals can reduce their private carbon footprint.