"But Global Warming is a HOAX!!!"

trump's Jan 2019 tweet about "Global Waming," attracted a reply that illustrated global warming vs. climate change.

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As someone else 'tweeted,' it would have all been hilarious except for the fact-


The idiot just happened to be president of the United States. :eye-poppi
 
trump's Jan 2019 tweet about "Global Waming," attracted a reply that illustrated global warming vs. climate change.

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As someone else 'tweeted,' it would have all been hilarious except for the fact-


The idiot just happened to be president of the United States. :eye-poppi

Side note: Note how coherent that idiot was in 2019 compared to now. :boggled:

Hans
 
I don't know. Maybe Melanie helped him write it.
However, "the coldest ever recorded" was a lie, one of his typical exaggerations - then as well as now.
Did you see this one - also from 2019?
 
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What is the individual to do, though, other than moderate their own consumption? How does that actual stop actually happen?


Not with the current players running the show, obviously!

I did the political activism for a few years, lobbying for the then-proposed EPA clean electricity plan to be implemented in my home state. Carrying signs, standing on corners with petitions, manning a booth at fairs, writing letters, under the direction of a well-established environmental organization with a good track record. Went to the state capital to meet with sympathetic state legislators. Who told me flat out, "It's a Republican majority so it won't pass." Which it didn't.


Do you think it would have passed with a Democratic majority? A lot of people put their hopes in Biden, and look at his most recent speech!

Sabotaging refineries or other such direct action might have a more noticeable effect, but it would also cost lives (the more successful, the more lives, because one of the things ITTL has right is that most people cannot imagine the changes in life that would be necessary if fossil fuels were eliminated or significantly curtailed, but I can, and I know they would be fatal for many). I'm not willing to murder for the planet, because you know what, the planet will take care of itself and the murdering will happen without me striking any blow at anyone.


Be careful now because you have fallen for maybe the most common trick in the book: You take a society that is based on fossil fuels as your starting point and imagine what would happen if you suddenly removed the only available power source. Conclusion: Fossil fuels are necessary for our (!) survival, so what are we to do?!

The solution is much more obvious than you think, which is why I frequently point to the example of infrastructure changes to big cities. (I don't mention Copenhagen's success with limiting fossil fuel traffic or the increasingly wind and solar-based Danish power grid as examples because I'm a nationalist. I'm not. I use these examples to contradict 'but-what-would-happen-if...' objections. It actually can be done, and people are if fact better off when it's done. Sacrifices aren't need to accomplish it.)

Your not being "willing to murder for the planet" objection is so insane that I'm not sure if you believe it yourself, but maybe you do. But you forget that other people are willing to murder for their profits - and not for the sake of the planet, on the contrary - and you come up with an argument to let them continue to do so.
"Sabotaging refineries" is obviously not the way to go, but sabotaging the business models of the ******** who are destroying the atmosphere and people's lives - right now and in the foreseeable future - is what needs to be done. Right now!

I do in fact take cold showers. I have for years, all cold except when ill. It saves money I can use to help improve my resiliency in other ways, it feels good, it's better for my easily-irritated skin, the bathroom doesn't steam up, I save time and water not having to adjust the water temperature just right and not standing there luxuriating, I don't have to worry about whether the hot water will run out or if it'll run out on someone else if I use it, it doesn't matter if someone else turns on a tap while I'm in there, and being physiologically accustomed to cold water gives me a lot more opportunities to go swimming here in New England. No medal. No illusions that I'm "saving the planet" (see above). But also, no illusions that everything in my surroundings should or can be adjusted to maximize my comfort moment by moment. Something that a lot of people will have to learn or change their minds about, for any change to happen.


No illusions is a very good starting point. And kudos for not pretending that taking cold showers is something you do to limit CO2 emissions when that is not the case. (And it probably is healthier both for the skin and the circulatory system.)

But you should follow through with 'no illusions' and give up on the idea that going green = sacrifices. You stick with your delusion that the elimination of fossil fuels = discomfort, something that "people will have to learn or change their minds about, for any change to happen." Where did you get that idea?! (Rhetorical question!)

Some people - and I am one of them - prefer hot showers, and I see no reason to give up on them. (I keep them short and end with cold water for some of the reasons you mention.)

Big Oil and their shills have messed with our minds to the extent where even environmentalists (actual environmentalists, not the ones paid by Big Oil) equate environmentalism with austerity. And they do so with the argument mentioned above: Taking fossil-fuel society and imagining fossil-fuel society without fossil fuel.
Do you see the trick?

A society based on solar and wind doesn't require sacrifices. Why would it?! My hot showers won't contribute to the greenhouse effect if the water is heated by solar and wind. And the people we need to teach a lesson about austerity and sacrifices aren't the ones you have in mind. They are the ones who are currently profiting from the fossil fuels and the lies they have been telling us, all of us, to the extent where almost nobody doesn't believe at least some of those lies.
 
You're joking, right?

I mean really, you're joking right?

:)
No, just the usual childish trolling. It's very important to some people's egos that they have special knowledge unavailable to the common herd. A classic symptom of conspiracy nuts.
 
I don't know. Maybe Melanie helped him write it.
However, "the coldest ever recorded" was a lie, one of his typical exaggerations - then as well as now.
Did you see this one - also from 2019?

Oh, I didn't say he was not a shameless liar, nor that he didn't make silly, baseless claims. I just noted that he was, also in that video you linked to, relatively coherent, mostly finishing sentences, generally staying on topic, etc, as opposed the inane rants we see now.

Hans
 
No, just the usual childish trolling. It's very important to some people's egos that they have special knowledge unavailable to the common herd. A classic symptom of conspiracy nuts.
It tales a 'special' outlook to not merely contradict a vast body of science -- facts so well established they are taught in every university in the world and even acknowledged by Exxon -- but to go so far as to smugly insult people who recognize those facts. We've seen it time and time again from conspiracy nuts who think they've taken a magical red pill.
 
There was an impromptu climate change discussion at work the other day. Consensus: We're screwed. Big Time! :(

Not everyone saw it the same way, though. One co-worker, a middle-aged woman, a QC analyst with a chemistry degree. She didn't say anything to the group but she seemed to become flustered and upset. We have known each other for a long time and have become friends. Years back she used to give me a ride to work. Anyway, she's a devout Christian and she confided to me in private, "God won't let all this happen." I am sure I looked surprised and she added, "No, He won't! You'll see. God created the world for a purpose. Only He can destroy it"

Another co-worker I'm friendly with, a thirty-something technician, told me the real problem causing extreme heat is actually the Sun. It is getting imperceptibly closer to the Earth year-by-year. That a buddy or a cousin had "studied" this in college and told him about it.

I don't think either one could be defined as a trumper. In fact, I'm not sure either one of them even bothers to vote. Probably too busy. Plus if you register to vote you go into the juror pool. ;)
 
There was an impromptu climate change discussion at work the other day. Consensus: We're screwed. Big Time! :(

Not everyone saw it the same way, though. One co-worker, a middle-aged woman, a QC analyst with a chemistry degree. She didn't say anything to the group but she seemed to become flustered and upset. We have known each other for a long time and have become friends. Years back she used to give me a ride to work. Anyway, she's a devout Christian and she confided to me in private, "God won't let all this happen." I am sure I looked surprised and she added, "No, He won't! You'll see. God created the world for a purpose. Only He can destroy it"

Another co-worker I'm friendly with, a thirty-something technician, told me the real problem causing extreme heat is actually the Sun. It is getting imperceptibly closer to the Earth year-by-year. That a buddy or a cousin had "studied" this in college and told him about it.

I don't think either one could be defined as a trumper. In fact, I'm not sure either one of them even bothers to vote. Probably too busy. Plus if you register to vote you go into the juror pool. ;)

Well, wrt the first co-worker, global warming won't destroy the Earth, at best it will cause severe societal disruption, at worst we'll go extinct, but the Earth will be fine.

Wrt, the second co-worker, I pity all his science teachers and everyone that knows someone that stupid.
 
Regarding President Biden's Climate Change comments. Remember this? Just four years ago-

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This was when we had a REAL MAN as our president!

MAGA!!!​

Don't worry, he has a plan to fight the increase in global temperatures by encouraging everyone to leave their fridge doors open.
 
I'm surprised at how many of my coworkers in East Idaho are actually attuned to how bad this summer's data is for our short-to-medium-term prospects. Even the ones with the "Let's Go Brandon" phone cases have been talking about it on our vape breaks without the conversation devolving into deep state drivel.

I fully suspect all of them to still vote Trump given the chance, but I'll take the concern.

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I'm surprised at how many of my coworkers in East Idaho are actually attuned to how bad this summer's data is for our short-to-medium-term prospects. Even the ones with the "Let's Go Brandon" phone cases have been talking about it on our vape breaks without the conversation devolving into deep state drivel.

I fully suspect all of them to still vote Trump given the chance, but I'll take the concern.

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yes, it's gotten hard not to notice.

i'm going to be annoyed when half of them act like they knew it all along though
 
yes, it's gotten hard not to notice.

i'm going to be annoyed when half of them act like they knew it all along though
You'll be even more annoyed when they blame liberals for not doing anything about it. "You couldn't stop global warming because we wouldn't let you? That's your fault - you should have tried harder!"
 
Your not being "willing to murder for the planet" objection is so insane that I'm not sure if you believe it yourself, but maybe you do.
The most insane part about it is that fossil fuels are killing people right now, so you are already a murderer.

Fossil fuel air pollution responsible for 1 in 5 deaths worldwide
New research from Harvard University, in collaboration with the University of Birmingham, the University of Leicester and University College London, found that more than 8 million people died in 2018 from fossil fuel pollution, significantly higher than previous research suggested—meaning that air pollution from burning fossil fuels like coal and diesel was responsible for about 1 in 5 deaths worldwide...

“Often, when we discuss the dangers of fossil fuel combustion, it’s in the context of CO2 and climate change and overlook the potential health impact of the pollutants co-emitted with greenhouse gases,” said Dr. Joel Schwartz, Professor at Harvard Chan School and co-author of the study. “We hope that by quantifying the health consequences of fossil fuel combustion, we can send a clear message to policymakers and stakeholders of the benefits of a transition to alternative energy sources.”
1 in 5 deaths worldwide may seem like an impossible number, but it's actually a scientific fact. If you burn fossil fuels, you're murdering people.

Maybe not overtly, but by depraved indifference causing death. You burn fossil fuels and simply don't care that it's killing people (because if you did care, you would stop doing it). That makes you just as much a murder as someone who fires a gun in a crowded room without caring where the bullet might go - only more so because when you burn fossil fuels the pollution goes up into the atmosphere and travels around the entire World.
 

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