Brexit: Now What? Part III

[jimbob]

Me and Teflon tony on the same side. the world's gone mental.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38996179

I suspect he still is a toxic brand.

 

[3point14]

I suspect he still is a toxic brand.

True, but enough time may have passed. Look how George is now becoming a kindly remembered, bumbling, great uncle type when viewed in knowledge of Trump.

In addition, intellectually, Boris and Nigel don't even come close.

 

[Darat]

It was true. Boris was talking about the regulations for wholesale bananas, not retail ones.

Care to cite the actual regulation he was referring to?

 

[jimbob]

True, but enough time may have passed. Look how George is now becoming a kindly remembered, bumbling, great uncle type when viewed in knowledge of Trump.

In addition, intellectually, Boris and Nigel don't even come close.

That was the but... which I hadn't posted.

I'm still angry that he and Brown didn't make a stronger case for the Global financial crisis not being the fault of New Labour, and that the Tory policies towards banking regulation would have made the situation worse

 

[jimbob]

Care to cite the actual regulation he was referring to?

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31994R2257:EN:HTML

Which was set by the industry.

Elsewhere those pesky EU standards have provided a universal standard for smartphones that comply with the standard, not mandatory, but useful.

ETA: just as the fire alarm standards have been set in line with the fire alarm and insurance industries

 

[ceptimus]

Care to cite the actual regulation he was referring to?

I already did above in post #402

 

[Darat]

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31994R2257:EN:HTML

Which was set by the industry.

Elsewhere those pesky EU standards have provided a universal standard for smartphones that comply with the standard, not mandatory, but useful.

ETA: just as the fire alarm standards have been set in line with the fire alarm and insurance industries

And I note they do not blanket ban sales of less bunches, just that to be considered a certain standard they have to be in bunches of 4 or more.

What is funny mind you is that this type of "regulation" that if we want to trade with the EU at all we would have to abide by no matter what trade treaty we have!

 

[Darat]

I already did above in post #402

Sorry I had scrolled past it.

 

[jimbob]

And I note they do not blanket ban sales of less bunches, just that to be considered a certain standard they have to be in bunches of 4 or more.

What is funny mind you is that this type of "regulation" that if we want to trade with the EU at all we would have to abide by no matter what trade treaty we have!

Yes without any influence in setting the standard

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

And I note they do not blanket ban sales of less bunches, just that to be considered a certain standard they have to be in bunches of 4 or more.

What is funny mind you is that this type of "regulation" that if we want to trade with the EU at all we would have to abide by no matter what trade treaty we have!

Nonsense. The EU has killed the British banana industry. There is barely a banana grown in the UK now. Post Brexit you wait and see. You won't be able to move for locally grown bananas. And nuts. Plenty of nuts. Bananas and nuts. Fruitcakes all round.

 

[ceptimus]

And I note they do not blanket ban sales of less bunches, just that to be considered a certain standard they have to be in bunches of 4 or more.

What is funny mind you is that this type of "regulation" that if we want to trade with the EU at all we would have to abide by no matter what trade treaty we have!

I suppose that with climate change there is the possibility that the UK may eventually wish to grow bananas and export them to the EU. Hopefully it's a distant prospect.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So why did Boris make such a big thing out of something he knew wasn't true?

Because he is a self serving, lying ********?

 

[CapelDodger]

Are you sure of that ? Firstly it was 109 not 177, and it was AFAICT only in "brexit: the movie" I have no lust to check the whole movie again, it 70+ minutes long.

Not as sure. I obviously mis-remembered the number. Thanks for looking.

 

[Andy_Ross]

And I note they do not blanket ban sales of less bunches, just that to be considered a certain standard they have to be in bunches of 4 or more.

What is funny mind you is that this type of "regulation" that if we want to trade with the EU at all we would have to abide by no matter what trade treaty we have!

Don't tell them that, you will only confuse them.
Surely Europe are going to be so eager to give us good terms they will change regulations to whatever we want.

 

[CapelDodger]

This is irrelevant though on this lying issue. Osborne told the voters that house prices would fall immediately following a leave vote.

Do you have a cite for that? From your previous cite :

“In the long term, the country and the people in the country are going to be poorer. That affects the value of people’s homes and the Treasury analysis shows that there would be a hit to the value of people’s homes by at least 10% and up to 18%.”

"In the long term" is far from "immediately". We are currently still in the short-term so you can hardly claim his prediction to be a lie, nor any other long-term predictions, for at least a couple of years.

So what else you got?

 

[ceptimus]

Do you have a cite for that? From your previous cite :



"In the long term" is far from "immediately". We are currently still in the short-term so you can hardly claim his prediction to be a lie, nor any other long-term predictions, for at least a couple of years.

So what else you got?

I'm still waiting for you to post a valid Leave lie for me to respond to.

It's a good job I asked you for a cite on that pillow one as it turned out to be completely wrong. If the leave campaign had done what you did there you'd have been accusing them of wilful lying and you'd be demanding a re-run referendum and so on.

 

[CapelDodger]

The other thing to note is that some countries are successful in the EU, some are successful out of the EU, but there is no precedent for one transitioning from in to out. We are very much stepping in to the unknown on this one.

It's a very big adventure.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I'm still waiting for you to post a valid Leave lie for me to respond to.

You will be waiting a long time if you remain incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction.

 

[CapelDodger]

I'm still waiting for you to post a valid Leave lie for me to respond to.

"There are over 100 EU regulations about pillows".

It's a good job I asked you for a cite on that pillow one as it turned out to be completely wrong.

The number was wrong, the principle was correct.

If the leave campaign had done what you did there you'd have been accusing them of wilful lying and you'd be demanding a re-run referendum and so on.

You're letting a note of hysteria creep in there.

 

[CapelDodger]

I already said that Boris got mixed up about the detail of the banana regulations and that he or his assistants should have done the research more carefully.

Nevertheless his point was well made - that the EU inflicts unnecessary and over-complex regulations over areas they need not get involved in.

The evidence for which you agree was a garbled claim about bananas.

To make the point well would require valid evidence, but Boris had to make something up. We can reasonably conclude that he had no valid evidence, and that your belief about "unnecessary and over-complex regulations" is based on nothing more than you thinking you know it.

The point that Boris made and that voters agreed with, is that EU regulations are often stupid.

Such as? (I advise you avoid pillow talk.)