Brexit: Now What? Part III

[ceptimus]

Where's the cite for the 'Leave pillow lie' (over 100 EU regulations)? Once I've seen that it exists, I'll next check to see if it was actually true.

 

[ViewsofMars]

Nonsense. The EU has killed the British banana industry. There is barely a banana grown in the UK now. Post Brexit you wait and see. You won't be able to move for locally grown bananas. And nuts. Plenty of nuts. Bananas and nuts. Fruitcakes all round.

Archie Gemmill, I'm writing to you from California. You made me laugh and I can't stop giggling. You made my day! Thanks!

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Where's the cite for the 'Leave pillow lie' (over 100 EU regulations)? Once I've seen that it exists, I'll next check to see if it was actually true.

Still waiting for your example of a banana trader who has given up because of EU regulations? Found one yet?

 

[Darat]

The evidence for which you agree was a garbled claim about bananas.

To make the point well would require valid evidence, but Boris had to make something up. We can reasonably conclude that he had no valid evidence, and that your belief about "unnecessary and over-complex regulations" is based on nothing more than you thinking you know it.


Such as? (I advise you avoid pillow talk.)

And as the cited "regulations" showed it is not against EU regulations to sell bananas in less bunches. So even if you think Boris was talking about what the banana industry can do it wasn't accurate. As ever reality is not as simple as the extremists think it is.

 

[jimbob]

Meanwhile retail figures are down for a third consecutive month.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sales-unexpectedly-decline-as-inflation-bites

Almost as though the economic impacts are starting as the markets start to factor in predicted underlying economic changes in the conditions.

Brexit is a process. We are still in the EU, so until we do so, any economic impacts are just due to people factoring them in, not due to any changes in rules.

 

[Craig B]

Meanwhile retail figures are down for a third consecutive month.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sales-unexpectedly-decline-as-inflation-bites

Almost as though the economic impacts are starting as the markets start to factor in predicted underlying economic changes in the conditions.

Brexit is a process. We are still in the EU, so until we do so, any economic impacts are just due to people factoring them in, not due to any changes in rules.

The fall of Sterling against the € is real and current, even though it has been caused by predicted events.

 

[jimbob]

The fall of Sterling against the € is real and current, even though it has been caused by predicted events.

Yes, but the main impact of Brexit will only happen once Brexit has happened.

So far the government seems to have written Nissan a blank cheque to keep it producing in the UK. I'm guessing that will have to be repeated.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Vauxhall could be in trouble, looks like they are going to a French company.
Their existing supply line is part if an integrated European company.
They are going to need a good Brexit deal.

 

[jimbob]

Vauxhall could be in trouble, looks like they are going to a French company.
Their existing supply line is part if an integrated European company.
They are going to need a good Brexit deal.

It's OK the government has a money tree that it will spend to keep them here.

I am surprised how far £350-million a week savings can go.

 

[commandlinegamer]

I liked this:

"Brexit protest halts traffic at Irish border"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39016582

Truck drivers in the traffic queue pretended to pull their hair out and waved supposed travel documents, while people gathered with placards.

 

[CapelDodger]

It was true. Boris was talking about the regulations for wholesale bananas, not retail ones.

Why? Is that really what occupies people's minds - the wholesale banana business? It's a bigger issue in Cardiff than most places and still not bus-stop conversation.

You and I and m'dog all know perfectly well that banana regulations are a dog-whistle to the Leavers' target audience. The "straight banana" believers.

You're still a lie behind. Predictions which cannot be assessed for years yet are not lies.

 

[Arcade22]

In another thread i complained about the US not having a modern population register but neither does the UK and this is causing problems since the Brits can't track people currently residing in the UK that came from EU countries.

But a leaked document, drawn up by MEPs on the European parliament’s employment committee to aid the EU’s Brexit negotiations, warns: “The UK has no population register. In practice it would be difficult to determine which EU27 citizens were residing legally in the UK before the Brexit would have taken effect.

“If all 3.3 million EU citizens were to initiate procedures aimed at proving the ‘exercise of treaty rights’ the administrative system would be overburdened.”

...

Responding to the Brussels report, one senior diplomat from an eastern European state, said: “It came as a surprise to me that the UK was unable to monitor comings and goings – they will have to find a workable solution quickly.”

Tony Blair’s government was forced to drop plans for a national ID card and population register in 2007 because of concerns over the security of citizens’ data, not least from David Davis, now secretary of state for exiting the EU.

The Cabinet Office advises that EU nationals do not need to register for any documentation in order to enjoy free movement rights and responsibilities in the UK. The government does not track EU nationals as they enter and leave the country. The databases of the Department for Work and Pensions, HM Revenue and Customs and the Home Office do not share information.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/18/eu-citizens-right-to-stay-britain-chaos

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

In another thread i complained about the US not having a modern population register but neither does the UK and this is causing problems since the Brits can't track people currently residing in the UK that came from EU countries.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/18/eu-citizens-right-to-stay-britain-chaos

Almost unworkable for say French people to have different rights based on whether they entered the country before or after Brexit. Almost may be generous.

Half the problems on the horizon haven't even been thought of yet let alone solved

 

[catsmate]

I don't know that we'll be in the Euro as soon as that, and indeed we may not go for it at all. At the moment Scotland is nowhere near fulfilling the convergence criteria and all the rest of it to join the Eurozone so it isn't even on the table.

And since meeting the criteria to join the Euro is entirely voluntary, if we don't want to join we can put it off forever. Just like Sweden and a number of other countries are doing.

Oh it'll be a decade of so before the rUK economy tanks.
Time to re-watch '1990' and 'The Guardians'.

 

[Garrison]

The point that Boris made and that voters agreed with, is that EU regulations are often stupid.

Or in reality the likes of the Daily Mail grossly misrepresented EU regulations to make them look stupid and people like yourself fell for it hook, line and sinker.

 

[ViewsofMars]

I hope they don't mess around the radio stations in the UK. I've been listening to Portobello Radio station since the beginning when Stuart started it over 10 years ago. Have you all tried to get the radio stations in the UK to air your comments? Might help to bring it to the masses! I've been to many a protest in my life time.

 

[MCel58]

Almost unworkable for say French people to have different rights based on whether they entered the country before or after Brexit. Almost may be generous.

Half the problems on the horizon haven't even been thought of yet let alone solved

Oh they have been thought of but I understand (anecdotally) that any civil servant bringing forward Brexit problems is being at best discouraged by Ministers or actively being told that they have the wrong attitude and are unpatriotic.

 

[ViewsofMars]

I'm not able to use a link (url) at this time because I'm still considered a newbie here. Here are three articles as noted below that anyone with some smarts will able to locate and read:

1. Brexit woes by Simon Nicholson
The British Journal of Psychiatry Jan 2017, 210 (1) 83

2. Life after Brexit
Nature Photonics 10, 497 (2016)

3. The physics of Brexit by tomclarke; Duda, Jarek, AstroSteve
Physics World, Volume 29, Issue 8, pp. 18 (2016).
Publication Date: 08/2016

Great articles! Thank you.

 

[Klimax]

I'm not able to use a link (url) at this time because I'm still considered a newbie here. Here are three articles as noted below that anyone with some smarts will able to locate and read:

1. Brexit woes by Simon Nicholson
The British Journal of Psychiatry Jan 2017, 210 (1) 83

2. Life after Brexit
Nature Photonics 10, 497 (2016)

3. The physics of Brexit by tomclarke; Duda, Jarek, AstroSteve
Physics World, Volume 29, Issue 8, pp. 18 (2016).
Publication Date: 08/2016

Great articles! Thank you.

Just split http:\\ from rest of URL and it will let you post them as simple text. We'll then fix them in reply.

 

[McHrozni]

Vauxhall could be in trouble, looks like they are going to a French company.
Their existing supply line is part if an integrated European company.
They are going to need a good Brexit deal.

Let's paraphrase this a bit differently:
UK needs a good Brexit deal and can't possibly afford to leave without any.

EU on the other hand can make do without any deal with UK at all. The loss of business with UK could be compensated in full with business from UK moving to EU ...

McHrozni