Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[Vixen]

The latest cunning plan to get a good Brexit deal, courtesy of Pritti Patel - threaten to starve the Irish.

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/

She must think she's living in 1840. A little lesson in the realities of 2018 for her....



https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-food-security/

That piece of news made me see red. Priti Patel is a ******* moron.

 

[Vixen]

The fact that UK legislators didn't seek the same exemption is telling.

I gather this is oral tobacco - known to cause mouth cancer. Good job it is banned in the UK, judging by the sheer number of people who carry on smoking regardless of the real horrors of lung cancer.

 

[dudalb]

Agreed with both. And particularly stupid when it is the UK that will be the country falling over and likely to need the help.

As an aside my former parents-in-law were/are very Tory and I ended up being so bored that I read one of their books, which was an autobiography by the Duke of Devonshire - I was taken with dumbfounded by his assertion that the Irish always regarded him as English despite him owning lots of land in Ireland

I'd have thought even someone like that might have had the self-awareness to realise the history of English landowners in Ireland.

One of the most gob smacking dumb things I have seen in a historical film was "Far and Away" where Nicole Kidman's parents were supposed to be Anglo Irish landowners, and they had stage phony "Begorrah" Irish accents.

 

[angrysoba]

What was it that Dougal MacAngus, 4th Duke of Argyll said of Prince Edmund having Scottish titles?

"Ay, Duke of Edinburgh and about as Scottish as the Queen of England's tits."

The implants are pretty obvious!

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Ah see, but that Irish thing is just part of the cunning plan.

After all, for Brexit to be successful the Empire needs to be revived so that the British economy becomes a relevant factor again to gain all those sweet trade deals.

This is just step one in re-forming the empire by re-annexing Ireland. Added bonus, it will also eliminate the need for a backstop. Political geniuses like Boris Johnson, Rees-Mogg or Nigel Farage would make excellent viceroys.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I gather this is oral tobacco - known to cause mouth cancer. Good job it is banned in the UK, judging by the sheer number of people who carry on smoking regardless of the real horrors of lung cancer.

The UK banned these products and I remember Esther Rantzen being one of the main voices at the time.

The EU got.involved later. Just more propaganda.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11972277.safety-ban-on-skoal-bandits/

 

[Andy_Ross]

Threats of food shortages against Ireland could be a two edged sword.
UK imports a lot of foodstuff from Ireland.

 

[jimbob]

Threats of food shortages against Ireland could be a two edged sword.
UK imports a lot of foodstuff from Ireland.

And the EU.

Ireland, however is a net exporter of food.

Utterly disgraceful to try blaming the EU for the incompetence of British government for not having considered what would be needed to set up the customs infrastructure to leave before setting the deadline for leaving.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

So, if Parliament does take control of Brexit, will they be able to get a deal within three and a half months? Because given its current state, it may become even more of a shambles than May's current joke of an attempt.

 

[jimbob]

So, if Parliament does take control of Brexit, will they be able to get a deal within three and a half months? Because given its current state, it may become even more of a shambles than May's current joke of an attempt.

May is right in one respect.

It would be no deal or no Brexit.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

May is right in one respect.

It would be no deal or no Brexit.

Or a delayed Brexit. We could either negotiate an extension or withdraw Art 50 and start again.

 

[Amazer]

Or a delayed Brexit. We could either negotiate an extension or withdraw Art 50 and start again.

You could negotiate an extension... but the withdrawal has to be made in good faith. That means not a reboot for another Brexit attempt.

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[Archie Gemmill Goal]

You could negotiate an extension... but the withdrawal has to be made in good faith. That means not a reboot for another Brexit attempt.

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The preferred option would be to negotiate an extension but the EU apparently cannot stop us withdrawing Art 50 and could not stop us triggering it again at some point in the future.

So the only downside would be the loss of good faith in future negotiations. Of course the bigger issue with Brexit is that the EU is not going to give us anything particularly different in a future negotiation so unless there is an intervening General Election I really can't see us getting anything passed through the HoC

 

[Henri McPhee]

As I posted before even LeaveHQ said that trading on WTO terms would be bad


http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?bl...uoPgSv6LHo9I-_z5AUtsTi-_WMeoR_7s9eTz74nTWYNpU

Sked who is a former UKIP leader and academic from the London School of Economics keeps popping up on TV to say we should have a hard Brexit on WTO rules. I don't think it's practical business sense. There is a bit of background to his way of thinking at this website:

www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-09/06/c_136586810.htm

Trade with the EU could be carried on under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules. These are less favorable in terms of tariffs than the UK's current arrangements with the rest of the EU.
"I don't see the fear of WTO rules we do most of our trade with the world on WTO rules. America does the same. We trade with 100 countries under WTO rules," said Sked.

 

[Planigale]

I asked this elsewhere on the interweb, but has the PM ever alluded to No Brexit (ie Remaining) as an option before?
Because she did last night:

"This deal, which delivers on the vote of the referendum, which brings back control of our money, laws and borders, ends free movement, protects jobs, security and our Union; or leave with no deal, or no Brexit at all."

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Posted By: zooterkin

May was a remainer; so she might not weep at no Brexit. If she brought the UK to the realisation that remaining was the best option that might be the best way for history to remember her.

 

[Planigale]

So Ireland “belonged to the UK all along”, huh? I’m pretty sure the Irish have a different view on that.

The EU is demanding that there be a border between itself and a foreign country. Save for cases of comprehensive customs and trade agreement that’s how independent countries work. If you didn’t want that you shouldn’t have insisted on being independent before such an agreement could be put in place.

Actually the EU is demanding there be no border; that is the issue!

 

[Planigale]

May was a remainer; so she might not weep at no Brexit. If she brought the UK to the realisation that remaining was the best option that might be the best way for history to remember her.

Apologies to everyone. This is what happens when you miss click and go to page 1 rather than last!

I'll go back to lurking, Brexit is too much for my little brain.

 

[The Moog]

Apologies to everyone. This is what happens when you miss click and go to page 1 rather than last!

I'll go back to lurking, Brexit is too much for my little brain.

Would you consider taking the job of Brexit Minister?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Actually the EU is demanding there be no border; that is the issue!

"The EU" is supporting the interests of a member-state concerned with the disruption to the lives of their constituents that the departure of another member state creates.

Standing up for individual member-state interests is now a point of criticism against the EU?

 

[catsmate]

Wales also voted to Leave, but then specific areas of England voted Remain (e.g. London, most major cities, etc.).

I vaguely remember a scifi novel about a future Britain split between advanced, walled, city states and the howling barbarian wilderness. Prophetic.