Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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Ambrosia said:
I voted for Brexit as a protest vote. Lots of the Brexit campaign made me mad, including the bus slogan and just about everything Nigel Farage ever said and the fact that that I was voting the same was as the BNP and their ilk.

If I could go back and do things over I'd probably not have voted at all, but, ultimately my one single vote made sod all difference to the outcome.
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Are you suggesting that your vote was unique, and that nobody else voted for BREXIT as a protest vote? It would have not taken too many voters to do what you did to change the result. Less than 2% would have led to a vote so close either way that nobody could be standing up and saying that "this is the will of the British people"



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fromdownunder said:
Are you suggesting that your vote was unique, and that nobody else voted for BREXIT as a protest vote? It would have not taken too many voters to do what you did to change the result. Less than 2% would have led to a vote so close either way that nobody could be standing up and saying that "this is the will of the British people"



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Wouldn't it cancel out with remain protest votes?
 
Ambrosia said:
Yes. Yes it is.

You would think that as smoking is so detrimental to public health and because it drains so much of taxpayers money from the public purse via treatments for smoking related diseases that anything that reduced smoking prevalence would be welcomed.

5% (five percent!) of adult Swedes smoke. Lots more of them use Snus.

We could reduce smoking prevalence from our present numbers of 15-20% to probably at least 10% if Snus was available Europe wide.

Sweden had to fight to be able to sell it at all, why can't smokers have the option to use Snus in the UK or in France or in Germany etc?

How much money would the NHS save if it had 1/3rd less of patients to treat with smoking related diseases?

What's the impact of those extra patients on waiting list times?

Is all of that really worth protecting the profits and CEO bonuses of pharma companies for? I don't think it is.
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Er that would be because the UK government, the French government etc. have decided to regulate their citizenship.
 
Ambrosia said:
I voted for Brexit as a protest vote. Lots of the Brexit campaign made me mad, including the bus slogan and just about everything Nigel Farage ever said and the fact that that I was voting the same was as the BNP and their ilk.

If I could go back and do things over I'd probably not have voted at all, but, ultimately my one single vote made sod all difference to the outcome.
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I would content that all those who voted Leave for similarly capricious reasons were very much part of making the difference.

I want the UK to have a little more say over the laws that govern it's people
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Ah, the old UK exceptionalism argument again! The UK already had control over most of its laws. In the case of EU-mandated regulation, it had as much say as any other EU country in their formulation.
 
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Ambrosia said:
Yes. Yes it is.

You would think that as smoking is so detrimental to public health and because it drains so much of taxpayers money from the public purse via treatments for smoking related diseases that anything that reduced smoking prevalence would be welcomed.

5% (five percent!) of adult Swedes smoke. Lots more of them use Snus.

We could reduce smoking prevalence from our present numbers of 15-20% to probably at least 10% if Snus was available Europe wide.

Sweden had to fight to be able to sell it at all, why can't smokers have the option to use Snus in the UK or in France or in Germany etc?

How much money would the NHS save if it had 1/3rd less of patients to treat with smoking related diseases?

What's the impact of those extra patients on waiting list times?

Is all of that really worth protecting the profits and CEO bonuses of pharma companies for? I don't think it is.
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So you think the EU is a bad thing and the UK would make better laws on its own because another EU country made better laws for itself and the UK didn't? I'm not sure I follow.
 
Wudang said:
So you think the EU is a bad thing and the UK would make better laws on its own because another EU country made better laws for itself and the UK didn't? I'm not sure I follow.
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No, Ambrosia is like most people and is taking a selfish attitude. Vaping is a common subject for Ambrosia. I suspect they are involved in the industry and wants to pedal more product and sees leaving the EU as a means to that.
Same as James, build my cleaners in Malaysia, Dyson and Arron, offshore companies, Banks. The unemployed want rid of foreigners who 'steal' their jobs. Middle class remainers pay enough for their quinoa, they don't want to pay import duties on top, and they certainly don't want to pay the inevitable higher taxes coming mainly their way when the economy tanks.
Everyone is selfish, but at least the remain side has the expert consensus that it better for the economy and therefore better for UK citizens as a whole. Leave is purely selfish.
 
Did the UK oppose the modifications to the TPD?
Since the UK has not fought to allow Snus in the country, which should be possible since Sweden succeeded, then what makes anyone think a UK not in the EU would make a blind bit of difference?

This is the point.
Our governments have used the EU as a shield for legislation they appear to be quite happy with. As soon as you scratch the surface you find that they didn't actually put up a fight.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Wouldn't it cancel out with remain protest votes?
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Remain was a vote for the status quo. Protest votes are, by their very nature, votes against the status quo; saying "Everything is fine the way it is" has precisely zero protest value. I'm not saying there weren't a few voters who were too stupid to figure that out and thought they were protesting against something by voting Remain, but it's hard to see how anybody who'd given the matter a vestige of serious thought could have done so.

Dave
 
Klimax said:
Protest against what?
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"I Really want the UK to be out of the EU!
But I absolutely oppose the extra 350M pounds per weeks for the NHS and so I vote Remain as a protest vote!"

Something like that? :D
 
erwinl said:
"I Really want the UK to be out of the EU!
But I absolutely oppose the extra 350M pounds per weeks for the NHS and so I vote Remain as a protest vote!"

Something like that? :D
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Lol.... I like your thinking

"I Really want the UK to be out of the EU!
But I absolutely oppose our MP's doing as they please (sod that sovereign parliament) and so I vote Remain as a protest vote!"
 
Brexit: Collapse in pound would be no bad thing, says David Davis

Britain would benefit from a plunging pound after a no-deal Brexit, David Davis has said, suggesting it would ease the departure from Europe.

Rejecting claims that a hard Brexit would be worse for Britain than Europe, Mr Davis claimed a 10 per cent drop in sterling would not be “a bad thing”. He said it would have a negative impact on European importers while offsetting the cost of tariffs for British companies selling to Europe.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3a92a68a-f9a5-11e8-83e5-4dc2d31f2a89


This is what Brexit has come to, promoting economic collapse as a benefit.
 
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Yes, because a jab of inflation would be just what we need, to add to our woes.

God than man is a complete arse.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Remain was a vote for the status quo. Protest votes are, by their very nature, votes against the status quo; saying "Everything is fine the way it is" has precisely zero protest value. I'm not saying there weren't a few voters who were too stupid to figure that out and thought they were protesting against something by voting Remain, but it's hard to see how anybody who'd given the matter a vestige of serious thought could have done so.

Dave
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I'm putting protest leave voters in the dumb person category. As such, I'm never sure when other dumb people cancel each other out because of their dumbness.

Present company excluded, of course.
 
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