Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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Of course it did. Leaving the EU is a net negative, any deal to leave was always going to be worse than staying in the EU.

It’s more like taking a new lower paying job, then being surprised you end up taking a pay cut because your old employer won’t pay you after you stop working there.
Nonsense. The EU could have agreed to give us all the benefits of being in the EU, less us not paying anything and not having to follow any regulations and not allowing EU citizens right of residency or work, but allowing UK citizens the right to live and work in the EU. They've just cut their nose of to spite their face!
 
In further good news for the Brexiteer sheeple, HMRC has stated that its preparations for a Northern Ireland backstop could take up to 30 months, after the government had decided how the mechanism will work. While the Brexit transition period ends in two years.

The two permanent secretaries at the Treasury, James Harra and Jon Thompson, were speaking to the Treasury Committee this week, in what Thompson said was his thirteenth Brexit-related select committee appearance. He stated that creating the systems required for the Northern Ireland backstop could take more than two years, but also said this was based on a series of assumptions.
"It is really difficult to answer that question," he said when asked if a backstop would be ready by December 2020, which is when the transition period is currently scheduled to end.

He said that his department needed further clarity "on what exactly is required in order for us to be able to work out what IT systems we would need to build" and also on what EU IT systems and databases it would still have access to.
After the Treasury has these two sets of information, it can start to specify the operations required and build IT systems to do it (or contract that out, at significant cost). At this point "we would need businesses that are transacting towards Northern Ireland to adapt or amend their own systems".
"In broad terms, if we were to make a number of assumptions, we think it could be up to 30 months to do that work," he said.
But the clock won't start ticking until the governments reach an agreement.
PDF of the report.
Draft declaration.

ETA: I should also point out that most IT experts think 30 months is grossly insufficient, especially those who remember childcare payment system fiasco of 2014 to date.
Nah silly assumptions. Don't they know they just have to close their eyes and wish really strongly and a working system will appear? Have they not listened to the leavers at all.
 
The latest YouGov poll I've seen says half of Leave voters think No Deal would be good for Britain and a quarter think it would be bad. As you may imagine, the vast majority of Remain voters think No Deal would be bad.

Well those who think No Deal would a good idea are the ones who still listen to the likes of Johnson and Rees-Mogg, and they are as much a lost cause as the hardcore Trumpistas.
 
That is not true for May. She is a lousy negotiator. Negotiation is an art. The guys at ACAS have arbitrators with arbitration diplomas. It is knowing how to drive a hard bargain between, say, a rail union with striking members holding out for specific conditions against the bosses on behalf of the government 'refusing to budge'.

A good negotiator will hammer out a deal that is win-win for both sides.

May has no negotiating skill at all. She has sold the UK down the river (thank goodness for Gina Miller forcing her to have it approved by parliament first). She has brought about a 'lose-win' deal in the EU's favour. Of course they have approved it. What's not to approve? She has conceded at every possible juncture. She has made the fatal mistake of wanting to be liked. She has shown herself to be acquiescent and amenable when toughness and vision was needed. To try to cover up her deficient negotiations - if we can even call it that; 'surrender' is a better word - she makes matters worse by using dog-whistle racism in her appeal to the British public ('no more queue-jumping by EU nationals') and blatant lies.

Someone needs to give her Sun Tzu, The Art of War for Christmas. She sees herself as a latter day 'Iron Lady' Thatcher, when in reality May is a pushover five-quid slut in curlers who'll say, 'OK, I'll do it for a quid'.

As you said in 4/5/18, in your circles it is normal to jokingly call a friend 'you slut' for still being in a dressing gown and slippers. Is this what you mean here?
 
Euronews: I'm being 'thrown out' of the European Parliament, says Sinn Fein MEP

"Sinn Fein MEP Martina Anderson told Euronews she would be “thrown out” of the European Parliament in March 2019 because of Brexit.

Anderson and her party called for a Remain vote in the referendum, alongside 56% of the population of Northern Ireland.

Now she says the withdrawal agreement “should pass” in Westminster in December, when UK MPs vote on the entire Brexit deal so far.

“It’s a stepping stone in that there is a special status for Northern Ireland,” she said, but citizens are about to lose their representation as soon as Brexit happens next year."

<Elfo>At least SF voters still have their representation at Westmi... oooh...</Elfo>
 
Leave cheated and is subject to a criminal investigation.


Apparently, nobody cares.

I find this extremely frustrating to the point of being really quite angry about it.
 
Leave cheated and is subject to a criminal investigation.


Apparently, nobody cares.

I find this extremely frustrating to the point of being really quite angry about it.

I fear it's much, much worse than that they cheated. Continuous reporting and investigations have made it clearer and clearer why they cheated and who helped them.
 
Leave cheated and is subject to a criminal investigation.


Apparently, nobody cares.

I find this extremely frustrating to the point of being really quite angry about it.

If the overspend affected the results, than it is an admission by the remainers that their ideas are so crappy they can't win under that condition.

Here is an idea...have a policy proposal so good it doesn't matter how much is spent.
 
If the overspend affected the results, than it is an admission by the remainers that their ideas are so crappy they can't win under that condition.

Here is an idea...have a policy proposal so good it doesn't matter how much is spent.

Brilliant logic. If one side cheats its an admission that the other side are losers. Does that work in sport too?
 
I fear it's much, much worse than that they cheated. Continuous reporting and investigations have made it clearer and clearer why they cheated and who helped them.

I'd really like some very high profile prosecutions.

I can't see that happening. Something is very, very rotten at no. 10
 
If the overspend affected the results, than it is an admission by the remainers that their ideas are so crappy they can't win under that condition.
It is certainly an admission that the Remain campaign was not very good. Even the remainers were not very enthusiastic about the EU and nobody made a clear case for why it is a good idea to not shred nearly all international agreements and then trying to negotiate new ones. The remainers did not even bother to explain what the EU is and what it does.
 
It is certainly an admission that the Remain campaign was not very good. Even the remainers were not very enthusiastic about the EU and nobody made a clear case for why it is a good idea to not shred nearly all international agreements and then trying to negotiate new ones. The remainers did not even bother to explain what the EU is and what it does.


I'm still not convinced the leavers wanted to win.

Boris did not seem like a happy man when he received the news.
 
Which means a majority of UK people oppose hard brexit. Seems May actually accomplished a good deal based on that.

Yeah, about 3/4 don't want no-deal, though it's not clear that May's deal is any more popular than that.

The same poll said Leave was now 5% behind Remain, which suggests No-Brexit would certainly* win any 3-way referendum against May's Deal or No Deal, and has a good chance of winning outright.

If No Brexit is what most voters actually want now, their problem is finding a way of getting to vote on it.

*Of course we have to remember that Leave probably never was what the majority wanted, but fewer young voters bothered to turn out and vote. I don't exclude the possibility of their doing it again because people are just people, i.e. stupid.
 
As you said in 4/5/18, in your circles it is normal to jokingly call a friend 'you slut' for still being in a dressing gown and slippers. Is this what you mean here?

In this case, the metaphor is as to a cheap prostitute, being a traitor betraying their country for an inducement or in May's case, because she wants to be (a) liked and (b) cannot countenance not sneaking HER deal in. If you recall, she didn't want a Parliamentary vote and now she is withholding the legal advice, breaching protocol.

Yes, slut means a slovenly woman. In this case, I specifically stated 'a five-quid slut' making clear it was one step beyond slovenliness.
 
It does. If you are not good enough to beat a doper, then get better. People win and lose all the time in sports. We should strive for exceptionalism.

So by that analogy, the cheating Russian athletes should not have been excluded from the Olympics. So it is all right for colluding Russians to tamper with other countries' elections and referendums?
 
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