Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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3point14 said:
In an “extraordinary” response to a freedom of information request from openDemocracy, the Home Office refused to confirm or deny whether it holds any material from 2016 about Leave.EU and Banks. The department said that doing so “would impede the future formulation of government policy”.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/br...-may-accused-of-major-cover-up-over-brexit-do
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It's not just Banks, either. There's a row brewing over Steve Baker and the funds fed into the DUP.
 
3point14 said:
In an “extraordinary” response to a freedom of information request from openDemocracy, the Home Office refused to confirm or deny whether it holds any material from 2016 about Leave.EU and Banks. The department said that doing so “would impede the future formulation of government policy”.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/br...-may-accused-of-major-cover-up-over-brexit-do
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Which just sums thing up really. We don't want to investigate, we don't want to tell anyone why and we don't want anyone to know anything about anything. Its almost impossible to hold anyone to account for anything.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Which just sums thing up really. We don't want to investigate, we don't want to tell anyone why and we don't want anyone to know anything about anything. Its almost impossible to hold anyone to account for anything.
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I expect the department can expect another trip to court in the near future and given this governments record with court case and Brexit I would assume those records will be public in due course.
 
Looking at the future arrangement document there seems to be some bumps in the road ahead or yet again people in denial about what the document says.

It appears to be explicit that future travel arrangements will be based on reciprocity and non-discrimination of Eu states. This absolutely and clearly means that the CTA would have to be abolished.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Looking at the future arrangement document there seems to be some bumps in the road ahead or yet again people in denial about what the document says.

It appears to be explicit that future travel arrangements will be based on reciprocity and non-discrimination of Eu states. This absolutely and clearly means that the CTA would have to be abolished.
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Speaking of travel: think of the future chaos of everybody in the UK having to send back their driving licences and passports, to get the EU logo and hologram removed therefrom.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Which just sums thing up really. We don't want to investigate, we don't want to tell anyone why and we don't want anyone to know anything about anything. Its almost impossible to hold anyone to account for anything.
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DialMForMeuller said:
From the team behind the No 1 Hit podcast, Untold: the Daniel Morgan Murder, comes another inside story of a crime - in this case the hacking, data misuse, illegal financing and potential interference in the EU referendum. Orwell Prize-winning Observer journalist Carole Cadwalladr lays out the evidence with Peter Jukes and asks: why hasn't the UK got a proper investigation into wrongdoing?
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If you're on twitter it's seriously worth following https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Looking at the future arrangement document there seems to be some bumps in the road ahead or yet again people in denial about what the document says.

It appears to be explicit that future travel arrangements will be based on reciprocity and non-discrimination of Eu states. This absolutely and clearly means that the CTA would have to be abolished.
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That'll be fun, if it happens. One or two problems. In many of the border areas, most people on both sides of the line hold RoI passports. The loyalist unionists, most of whom hold only UK passports I think, will be restricted in their movements, but "Fenian terrorists" will be able to roam the whole island unchecked. Is that what Foster wants to see?
 
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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
It appears to be explicit that future travel arrangements will be based on reciprocity and non-discrimination of Eu states. This absolutely and clearly means that the CTA would have to be abolished.
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Could you post the exact wording relating to this? A strong legal argument could be made that the CTA - long-predating the EU - is a "special case."
 
Information Analyst said:
Could you post the exact wording relating to this? A strong legal argument could be made that the CTA - long-predating the EU - is a "special case."
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I can do it.

Travelling in the Common Travel Area if there’s no Brexit deal
Confirmation that the Common Travel Area arrangements and the associated rights and privileges of British and Irish citizens are protected if the UK leaves the EU with no deal.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...e-common-travel-area-if-theres-no-brexit-deal
 
After Brexit the UK will run out of Mars bars within two weeks. And much more:
According to a person who has been briefed on DEFRA’s internal discussions on no deal, officials are forecasting that the disruption to food imports and exports could last for more than six months, leading to shortages on supermarket shelves and putting enormous financial pressure on businesses that depend on exports to the EU.
 
i think its paragraph 51 on mobility if you can find it otherwise i will look later. There are no mentions of special cases in the text.
 
Information Analyst said:
Could you post the exact wording relating to this? A strong legal argument could be made that the CTA - long-predating the EU - is a "special case."
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I think this is the text of the paragraph i'm referring to.

"Other aspects of mobility, based on non-*‐discrimination between the Union's Member States and reciprocity, including visa-*‐free travel for short-*‐term visits."

Quite clear to me... rules on mobility must be non-discriminatory between the EU member states. So you can't offer visa-free travel to Germany but not to Romania. And by the same token you can't have a CTA with only Ireland if the wording of this clause is adhered to.
 
Craig4 said:
I so hope there will still be Pete's Red Hot Sauce in the future.
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At least Wiltshire Chilli Farms will be inside the cordon. Their hot sauce will make rat on a stick cooked over a dumpster fire much more palatable. (I'm joking of course, around my way we have plenty of squirrels, rabbits and tourists. Note to self, get out slingshot and bow, stockpile some ammo and arrows and practice)
 
So they've finalized the draft agreement, which seems to agree nothing except to agree everything after the UK leaves the EU. there's a lot of bland aspirations and platitudes that May will doubtless spin as a victory but the truth is a hard Brexit is still very much on the table. The BBC gives some analysis of the fluff here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46303751

...A few points to remember…
This is not a legally binding document.
It's not very long either, but it has grown from last week's seven-page outline to 26 pages. It sits alongside the 585-page Draft Withdrawal Agreement (which will be legally binding if it gets ratified).
This is also a draft, agreed by negotiators, but it still needs to be approved by the leaders of all 28 EU countries at a summit scheduled to take place on Sunday. Don't expect major changes.
Formal negotiations on everything it contains can only begin after Brexit has actually happened - currently after 29 March 2019...
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Can someone explain to me how we could have a frictionless border with Ireland even if we had a free trade agreement with the EU?

Surely free trade doesn't mean no borders?
 
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