Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Skeptical Greg]

Primateer,

Before talking about finer than 2 inch detail resolution in frame 352, please provide evidence that the resolution of Kodachrome 2, is more than 63 lines / mm..

Did you read the post that contained my calculations a couple of pages back, or are you just ignoring them because you don't like the results?

If you believe they are wrong, by any significant factor ( like the factor of five that you are suggesting ); please provide evidence to that effect.

 

[Dfoot]

Hey Dfoot,

How about posting some of the pics that show the rubber masks that look a lot like patty..

I would link to them over at BFF, but I'm too lazy to look for them..

Oh yes. I have a ton of those.

Here's the start of the first little experiment I made. Over Halloween weekend I decided to build a Bigfoot display for the kids. I took a Tor Johnson mask (available from Don Post in the 60's) and cut the mouth out of it. Then I glued the mouth from a typical 1960's era chimp mask onto it.

This was the start of my first Bigfoot. No sculpting... just some glue and paint prior to gluing the hair on.

From this I learned something... There is a possibility that Patty may have used a Tor Johnson/Chimp combo mask in an attempt to fool Patterson into thinking she was just an ordinary fisherman.

Notice the dent in the chimp chin of the mask. They came that way. I didn't do that. Patty has it too. It's fairly obvious that this is not her normal appearance.

The mistake in her disguise was in neglecting to shave and put on proper clothes.

I rest my case.

- Dfoot

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Yeah, right !

Don post obviously modeled his mask from a Bigfoot !!

Seriously, just like the Gemora(sp?) butt, how can anyone look at that, and not do a lot of rethinking about any doubt, that PGF is a bloke in a suit ?


Oh, and please don't rest your case. It's not enough to convince the jury, you must humilliate the defendant!

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1163834#post1163834

An earlier post from RayG that I must have overlooked.

P/G got within 25 feet of Patty?????

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Thanks to Lu for bringing it up over at BFF..

I just noticed in this image of Meldrum's bear track..

I think the measuring tape may be covering some faint claw marks..

 

[LTC8K6]

The mud is pretty wet. I'd bet that the claw marks just didn't show, or filled back in.

Did it rain on the tracks? If so, that could have erased claw marks.

 

[LTC8K6]

PS: Notice the humanly-impossible, near-vertical angle on Patty’s sole before it leaves the ground. That’s an item I should have added to my 16-item list earlier in this thread.

Yeah, it's humanly impossible alright....

Besides, if you are wearing big clown feet, it's even easier to get the angle.

What world does RogerKni live in?

 

[William Parcher]

What world does RogerKni live in?

He lives in his own world. Don'tcha know?.... he is the "Rain Man" of Bigfootery.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Yeah, it's humanly impossible alright....
What world does RogerKni live in?

I'm going to be responding to that later...

I just shake my head at all of Credufooter myths that continue to be repeated long after they have been debunked.. Most of them, things that could have been tested 30 years ago, but never were..

1. Material for Patty like costume not available in 67

2. Technology for intricate finger movements, far too complicated or expensive
in 67 ... ( Well first, we need to see the intricate movements .. )

3. Compliant gate impossible for a human.

5. Stride length not human .

4. Proportions too far outside human norm.

5. Midtarsal break, unique feature of Sas tracks ( when it shows up ) .

6. " Torso turn-to-look " , not human ..

7. Accurate reporting of same event by two eye-witnesses ..


I'm sure there is more.

 

[Dfoot]

Yeah, right !

Don post obviously modeled his mask from a Bigfoot !!

Seriously, just like the Gemora(sp?) butt, how can anyone look at that, and not do a lot of rethinking about any doubt, that PGF is a bloke in a suit ?


Oh, and please don't rest your case. It's not enough to convince the jury, you must humilliate the defendant!

Still... just because the infamous "double-balled" wooden foot of Ray Wallace matches the tracks shown in John Green's film and photos AND Wallace also had wooden feet that matched the Crew newspaper photo DOES NOT mean that ALL of the tracks around the Ray Wallace construction sites were faked. The one in the soft dirt that appears to slide a bit has indications of being based on a mid-tarsal break that no hoaxer could possibly duplicate.

I plan on flying to Idaho to consult experts on the subject of feet they've never once seen to clarify this further.

Meanwhile, take a look at these overlaid pics. While I agree that some ape suits were made to form deliberately bent legs, the fact that Bob Heironimus walked across the parking lot of a beer joint decades later and did, in fact, straighten his left leg, shows me that there is much more to the PG film than can be seen by most people. To deny this is to fail to understand the significance of it.

It's clear that the Heironimus family could suffer from some genetic reverse-werewolf affliction. This would explain why "Patty" was filmed at 1:30pm (or perhaps 3:30 pm) near Halloween (or maybe Labor Day) instead of at night as a nocturnal Sasquatch should be.

What Patterson may have filmed is a Greek Werewolf transforming into a Yakima cowboy. This explains the uncanny similarity between our "Patty" and Bob Heironimus.

This is my theory. It's up to you to prove that it didn't happen.

- Dfoot

 

[LTC8K6]

The one in the soft dirt that appears to slide a bit has indications of being based on a mid-tarsal break that no hoaxer could possibly duplicate.

That's because it just happens when you walk. You don't need to do anything special to duplicate it. You can get a midtarsal break and slide in your footprint with a flat bottomed shoe on.

 

[RayG]

Is it an optical illusion, or is the front part of the foot in this photo shifted farther to the right than the rear part of the foot. (if it is in fact a single footprint, showing a mid-tarsal break)

Is it possible for a foot to be sufficiently flexible, that the front half is totally independant of the rear half? And why do the toes appear fan-shaped, with the inner toes longer than the outer toes?

RayG

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I think we are looking at more than one track.

The front part is covering a different track that is being suggested as the heel .

 

[Starrman]

Is it an optical illusion, or is the front part of the foot in this photo shifted farther to the right than the rear part of the foot. (if it is in fact a single footprint, showing a mid-tarsal break)

Is it possible for a foot to be sufficiently flexible, that the front half is totally independant of the rear half? And why do the toes appear fan-shaped, with the inner toes longer than the outer toes?

RayG

I had posted this link a few pages back, and got no responses. It is a nice summary from a dude that studies tracks for a living. He theorizes that many of the supposd tracks are instances where bear overstep their own tracks.

http://www.spiritone.com/~brucem/bigf1.htm

That picture fist his descriptions to a T. So maybe it is impossible for a hoaxer to, but not for a bear simply walking through the woods. I would also add that is is simply silly and, of course, closed-minded to say that anything is 'impossible' for a hoaxer to re-create.

 

[Hitch]

That's because it just happens when you walk. You don't need to do anything special to duplicate it. You can get a midtarsal break and slide in your footprint with a flat bottomed shoe on.

Bigfoot seems to cause some sort of bizarre amnesia. Pictures were posted at the bottom of the previous page and the top of this one showing human footprints with the "midtarsal break" characteristic, but it's something that "no hoaxer could possibly duplicate?"

I see this sort of thing over and over again in these threads.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I had posted this link a few pages back, and got no responses. It is a nice summary from a dude that studies tracks for a living. He theorizes that many of the supposd tracks are instances where bear overstep their own tracks.

Good link Starrman .. I missed it before.. Some very good pics, and explanations about how bear tracks can look like big Sas-like prints...

 

[Hitch]

Maybe instead of "Read Krantz" we should be saying "Read this thread."

 

[LTC8K6]

The front part is covering a different track that is being suggested as the heel .

Yep, it's exactly what a 4 legged bear does all the time when it walks, and it's exactly what a bear track should look like.

 

[Hitch]

Yep, it's exactly what a 4 legged bear does all the time when it walks, and it's exactly what a bear track should look like.

And just how common are these "4 legged bears" that you speak of?

 

[William Parcher]

Dfoot, I really like all of these photo collages that you have posted on BFF (and now here). You have access to quite a few interesting images. I do have one suggestion. In many cases, the images are too small to make an impression.

When you post single images, they are usually nice and big. But with your collages, often individual images are so small that they are close to worthless. Anyway, I'm a big fan of Dfoot. I said here on JREF that you are a "one man army" over there on BFF.

I'm particularly fascinated with the images you posted there of P&G and Heironimus together on horseback. Also those showing Gimlin in a wig pretending to be the "Indian tracker". It is rather shocking (or not) that the BFF crowd has not focused on the collaboration between P&G and Heironimus. I never saw the photos of those guys together until you posted them. This party-line about Gimlin being some kind of saint is a joke. Even if Patterson never filmed any Bigfoot (real or fake), we still can see that Gimlin wore a wig for Roger. I consider that a hoax in itself. What does Gimlin have to say about that, if anything? You also pointed out that he may not be totally honest about his arrest for stealing plywood.