Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[LTC8K6]

I haven't seen this full frame before:

Possibly another version of the cibachrome hand? The elbow area looks interesting too....

 

[LAL]

No ! No ! They are just confused..

BH And Greg Long are the liars...
I'm a liar. You're a liar...

Dfoot is a liar.. Lu is bashing him over at BFF because he dared to take Meldrum's name in vain, and seems to think she is ' outing ' him by revealing he is posting over here..

She is promising to dig up some dirt where Dfoot had a problem with Chris Walas, before he decided to check some things out for himself..

She can't seem to comprehend the concept of someone realizing they made a mistake, and admitting it..

Bashing him? I said he should feel right at home on JREF; the "bear" track did it. He could have lifted that one right from this thread. Read my posts; there's one about him and one to him. Both are mild.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=13887&st=80&p=293632&#entry293632

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=13887&st=100&#entry293868entry293868

I started to say "Hi" when I was posting last night, but you were gone before I could add it to the post.

Dfoot has been getting rightly bashed for some of his unsubstantiated claims for some time, but not by me.

His arguments on the Chris Walas thread have already been linked on this board. I didn't know he'd changed his mind until Parcher referred to the thread here. How is it "outing", BTW, when he's using the same SN? The kind of "evidence" he's presenting is much more acceptable here than it is on BFF.

He seems to have been influenced by reading Greg Long and is now calling Patterson and Gimlin hoaxers just as some on this board do. I wanted to revisit the thread that shows how he thought before he got carried away with this hoax idea. No dirt there and no intent to post the link anywhere. As I said, ah, the good old days. He put up some good arguments.

Are you deliberately twisting what I say or do you really have a problem with reading comprehension? Anyone can check out your statements, you know.

 

[Belz...]

At least the pro-possibility side has an inconclusive film, inconclusive footprints, inconclusive hair, inconclusive scat, and thousands of inconclusive eyewitness reports.

The only thing closed minds have is opinion.

I'm going to assume this was sarcasm. Otherwise you're saying that the more inconclusive things you have in your favour, the more likely your position is.

Those pesky facts, eh ?

 

[LAL]

Sure, if the 3.5 miles bit is true. What if the "sat down and watched" deal is true? Maybe P/G are lousy trackers? Maybe the trail was laid down earlier for P/G to follow while monkey man got away?

Roger called Bob back when Bob was going to follow Patty immediately, remember? If they tracked Patty, it was after she had a good head start.

Roger did not want the tracks protected, either.

Roger didn't want Gimlin to ride back that night and cover them when the rain started. He thought they'd be all right. Gimlin overruled him. The cardboard Hodgson was soaked and useless so he used bark.

Amazing how those guys couldn't do anything that wasn't suspicious.

 

[LAL]

I always wondered about that....

This is one of Lecerc's illustrations referred to by RayG. The rest of the photos seem to be from the book as well:

http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/meesas.htm

For a moment I thought Bill had read the book. My bad.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Who would even bother to consider the possibility that these are anything but the tracks of a hoaxer?

Notice how Bigfoot carefully walked in the powdery looking dirt in order to leave tracks ..

 

[LTC8K6]

Notice how, despite bigfoot's wide body, he walks with one foot directly in front of the other for those tracks Green is measuring.

Notice how Patty doesn't walk this way.

 

[UrsulaV]

Notice how Patty doesn't walk this way.

She's bow-legged from ridin' unicorns.

 

[Starrman]

Notice how, despite bigfoot's wide body, he walks with one foot directly in front of the other for those tracks Green is measuring.

Notice how Patty doesn't walk this way.

Is it just me - or are there tons of boot prints off to the side of that track as well. There isn't anybody claiming that track is legitimate, is there? Tell me there isn't.

 

[RayG]

I always wondered about that....

One of many artistic interpretations found in the book. Not sure how they determined that a 14" foot equated to a 6'9" body. Krantz thought the subject only 6' tall in that same stance. Gimlin, who was there, thought the creature only 6'1" or 6'2". So according to Krantz and Gimlin, instead of the subject being 81" tall, it should actually be about the same height (74") as the man in the picture. Is this an example of distorting things to make something appear larger than life?

This is one of Lecerc's illustrations referred to by RayG. The rest of the photos seem to be from the book as well:

http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/meesas.htm

For a moment I thought Bill had read the book. My bad.

The more I stare at the cover of Meet the Sasquatch, the more I wish the author had used the original, unmodified squatch head.

RayG

 

[UrsulaV]

I'm kinda wondering how they got a 10 inch foot equalling a 57 inch body. My feet are a hair under 10 inches, but I'm 67 inches tall. For a giant primate, he'd be awfully short.

 

[Hellbound]

Well, Ursula, that's why he's called Big Foot, not "Average-size-for-his-height" Foot.

I mean, duh!

 

[fsol]

Well you see, they know how big the feet are because there were all those tracks. So you just do some jiggerypokery with ratios and you have the height of Bob Hero... umm...Patty. Because obviously the tracks were made by the subject in the film. Then to work out how much taller it would be if it was standing up straight you umm...guess. It's all very scientific and above board. Really, I am sure this must all have been covered already.

 

[LTC8K6]

For a moment I thought Bill had read the book. My bad.

Seen in RayG's quote.

Lu doesn't realize that it's just bigfoot propaganda. Why would I read any more of it than I have already seen?

Note the hands in the illustration, note the raised foot, note the toes on said foot.....

Also note how the hand resembles the possibly drawn in cibachrome "hand"....

 

[UrsulaV]

Well, Ursula, that's why he's called Big Foot, not "Average-size-for-his-height" Foot.

I mean, duh!

I sit corrected!

Henceforth, I wish to be known as Smallfoot. Tracks available on demand for a small fee.

 

[William Parcher]

Another example of contemporary modification of Patty to make her look authentic. This is a sculpture of Patty as shown in frame 352. Notice that the creasing of the suit (thigh hernia) is gone, the butt is made to look more natural, the breasts are more natural by moving them higher and changing the shape and the head/face is given various modified treatments.

Try to imagine what this figurine would look like if it really matched Patty in frame 352...

 

[LTC8K6]

Those straight line tracks aren't really any deeper than the boot prints, either.

Maybe foots can alter their ground pressure with those magical bendy feet?

 

[Hitch]

Those straight line tracks aren't really any deeper than the boot prints, either.

Maybe foots can alter their ground pressure with those magical bendy feet?

Shapeshifting, teleporting aliens have gravity control?

 

[LTC8K6]

Paging Dr. Meldrum......

 

[Hitch]

Paging Dr. Meldrum......

Is that a midtarsal break I see?