Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[LTC8K6]

W: Now, okay, so you then gave up . you took the plaster tracks . How deep were these tracks by the way, in inches? . Inch and a quarter or .

B: Some of them were down as far as three and a half inches deep into the softer soil. These particular ones we took here were, weren't quite so deep because they were flatter tracks.

Who believes this garbage? 3.5 inches deep? She'd be flinging sand all over the place as she walked. Flatter tracks? Flatter than what?

If Patty was making regular tracks that weren't quite 3.5 inches deep in the hard sand, then she was making deep tracks in the pine needles, too. She'd also be flinging soil all over as she walked with her feet sinking so low in the ground at each step.

The reason the "flatter" tracks weren't quite so deep is because you can't drive a fake wooden foot very deep into the soil if you try to do it flat. If you drive the heel in first, you can go deeper, like the Laverty photo track.

This is the November 1967 interview and Gimlin is already making crap up, imo.

 

[LTC8K6]

How can you get a "flat track" with a long stride from a heavy biped anyway?

 

[LAL]

That's right, Lu. The first person you see is Heironimus on Chico pulling a packhorse. Roger is riding right behind him.

Chris Murphy identified the rider behind the guy in the vest as Roger Patterson's son; it certainly doesn't look like Roger (paused from the CD on a Hi-Def screen). The next footage is Roger leading a packhorse.

This proves what? That people can "pull" packhorses?

 

[LAL]

How can you get a "flat track" with a long stride from a heavy biped anyway?

Compliant gait. Try it sometime. It's very quiet, too.

 

[LTC8K6]

Compliant gait. Try it sometime. It's very quiet, too.

Patty is clearly walking the same way I do, though. She is landing heel first and pushing off with her toes. Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting Meldrum.

When people duplicate the gait, they also land on their heel and push off with their toes just like I do.

So how can Patty make a flat track in sandy soil where she is sinking in considerably?

 

[LAL]

We don't know. There is also that collage labeled 2ndreelstills.

That's why the big discussion about that clip. If it's the second reel, it has BH on it. BH on the same reel as Patty, in other words. We have made a guess that the section with BH was filmed at Cowiche Canyon because Gimlin said they were there earlier, and the terrain appears similar. It's also evident that a third person is present and filming BH and RP in the "Cowiche Canyon" section of the film.

I have personally wondered why BG hardly mentions the times he used the movie camera.

These are clips used in Bigfoot: Man or Beast (1971). They may not all be from the same "shoot"l. The casting footage was on the second reel (the first reel ran out). The footage of Roger (there's also some of Gimlin- he's on a much larger horse- but it wasn't included) is from the first reel. Patty was on the first reel.

Was Roger's son in Cowiche Canyon?

 

[LAL]

Patty is clearly walking the same way I do, though. She is landing heel first and pushing off with her toes. Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting Meldrum.

When people duplicate the gait, they also land on their heel and push off with their toes just like I do.

So how can Patty make a flat track in sandy soil where she is sinking in considerably?

I tried it long before I read Meldrum. I was checking my glut wiggle. My feet pick straight up.

How would someone in fake feet do it?

 

[LTC8K6]

Patty walking just like a person, with a short stride and heel and toeing.

 

[LTC8K6]

Was Roger's son in Cowiche Canyon?

Is it Roger's son or Roger and how does anyone know?

 

[William Parcher]

Chris Murphy identified the rider behind the guy in the vest as Roger Patterson's son; it certainly doesn't look like Roger (paused from the CD on a Hi-Def screen). The next footage is Roger leading a packhorse.

This proves what? That people can "pull" packhorses?

I now believe that that is not Roger riding behind BH. Murphy knows that this is Roger's son? OK. Maybe he was the one holding the camera for the shot of the six Bigfoot searchers all together.

It doesn't prove a hoax at all. But it's good to try to account for all the footage and players that we can. We can build a picture of what was going on. The posse was pretending to look for Bigfoot while the camera was rolling.

 

[LTC8K6]

How would someone in fake feet do it?

They wouldn't have to, as you already know. This is tiring. If it's a hoax, then the tracks would have been created seperately, of course.

 

[LTC8K6]

The full blockfoot frame, I think...

 

[William Parcher]

The jacket isn't an obvious match and his face looks young. I should have applied the same visual scrutiny to that guy. I don't think it's Roger anymore. I'm very willing to hear arguments that it is, or may be Roger.

 

[kitakaze]

This proves what? That people can "pull" packhorses?

Bob 'footers curse my name' Heironimus is in Patterson's film and you don't have a problem with that. It's staggering, really.

I could be the biggest stumpknocker on the block, laughing 'dead red' this and 'football helmet' that, Greg Long photo on my dart board. Somebody says to me "You know, Heironimus is in the film with Patterson."- I spit my kool-aid, fall out my chair, have palpitations. I check it myself and then I think reaal hard about the $300 I popped for next week's BFRO expedition and the night vision goggles I just finished paying installments on. mmhmm.

 

[William Parcher]

If it's a hoax, then the tracks would have been created seperately, of course.

The tracks made by the suit wearer would have a normal human stride measurement. Can't show anyone that trackway.

 

[LTC8K6]

If it's Roger's son, when was it taken and where was Bob Gimlin?

 

[William Parcher]

My guess would be Cowiche Canyon with his son acting as one of the posse. Where was Gimlin? Somewhere off camera. Who held the camera for the shot of the six horsemen?

 

[LTC8K6]

It's the same hat on Roger and "Roger's son", imo.

Not the hat in the cast pour photos, imo.

 

[LTC8K6]

There's just way to know what was shot when or where, really.

We'll never get to see the original films.

 

[William Parcher]

Six cowboys: left to right...Roger Patterson, John Ballard, Jerry Merritt, Howard Heironimus, Bob Gimlin and Bob Heironimus.

Some key indicators for trying to ID people in various riding scenes. (However there was some horse switching as we can see): Look at the horse color, gear, etc; look at the clothing; look at the hat.