Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Drewbot said:
I was wondering if Kitakaze's footerbot could translate the Email I recieved from Meldrum regarding Achilles Tendon/Mid tarsal break biology in Sasquatch.
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If sasquatches can't do endurance walking/running, then why was Patty able to elude Patterson and Gimlin after they followed "her" for 3 miles?
 
AtomicMysteryMonster said:
If sasquatches can't do endurance walking/running, then why was Patty able to elude Patterson and Gimlin after they followed "her" for 3 miles?
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She lost them on the pine needles. She may have walked slowly ahead of them. They were burdened by their horses and they need to move methodically through the bush to follow her sign. We must also consider that she was a Bluff Creek resident and those two Yakima cowboys were just tourists visiting the neighborhood.

Wise Bigfoots know at least two things:

1) When you find apples sitting in some mud, lay down to reach across for them in order to hide your presence.

2) When being pursued by humans, seek a nice bed of pine needles to walk across in order to conceal your sign.

3) Indian Tracker Bob Gimlin will never find you, or your house.
 
Wow. Check this out, this messed up. The dark side of bigfootery: mentally unstable bigfoot loonies getting together and going apes***.

Apparently nutjob Beckjord is being accused of beating and pepper spraying Happy Camp BF nutjob Tara Hauki after being invited to stay with him for some BF search lunacy. Events were apparently complicated by the presence of Beckjord's out-of-control alcoholic, suicidal girlfriend.

I joke about these BF crazies getting together and screwing in a light bulb or something but this is actually quite disturbing.

Here's the link to Coleman's blog on it:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/hauki-eb/

Here's the link to Hauki's online journal where she details her accusations:

http://onelifeoneheart.pbwiki.com/Tara+Hauki+and+Jon-Erik+Beckjord

Do yourself a favour and instead of trying to wade through all her BF spiritual woo woo mumbo jumbo just scroll to her entries for Sept. 16th and 17th.

What really happened, I don't know but it certainly made me want to take a shower after reading it.
 
mikeyx said:
He was with NESRA for a while, is currently with the MABRC. I don't know where he is now claiming being an atheist but I didn't see his "I hate religion" post.

Interesting...
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He's a personal friend and I know the story. He's never claimed to be an atheist. I'm the atheist.

I don't understand why these posts have been allowed to stand. Isn't "outing" someone against the rules around here?
 
AtomicMysteryMonster said:
Now if Larry Lund was claiming that the Redwoods video was faked based on his hearing a Bigfoot proponent speaking on the tape's audio, you'd have a valid point. However, that's not the case here. I should also note that there are other things about the Memorial Day video that point to a hoax.
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There are things that point to it being real.

What's the difference between "Jeff Meldrum was wrong about Snowwalker, therefore he must be wrong about everything else" and "Larry Lund was wrong about Fred Bradshaw therefore he must be wrong about everything else"?
 
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William Parcher said:
I'm curious if the riding and casting scenes are identical to the Mysterious Monsters clip.
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They aren't.

Both films have the ride down the hill through grass with a rider identified as one of Roger's sons (Murphy). From the look of the land and the fact that the son wasn't on the California trip, I assume this was taken in Eastern Washington rather than Northern California.

Both have the footage with the pack horse.

The casting scene is in Bigfoot: Man or Beast? but not in The Mysterious Monsters. BMB has footage of a rider looking through binoculars. The rider isn't identified (looks like Roger), but the terrain looks like Northern California.

Both have a clip of the PGF, ending just as the figure starts to turn. BMB has more of it later with comments by Ron Olsen.

I've done step-throughs on both. BMB is better in terms of color and clarity.
 
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LAL, I'm curious about what your thoughts are on an un-suited Bob Heironimus shown riding in the PGF. What do you think?

Also, what do you think of Patterson's propensity for creating illusion and fantasy as evidenced by having Gimlin play the Indian Tracker role?
 
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Don't forget the fact that he has at least three different stories, with different theatrical embellishments, for the horses rearing when they saw the beast.
 
William Parcher said:
Have you looked at the definition of a documentary? That's not what Roger was making.
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Have you seen any of the documentaries of the time? Try the rest of The Mysterious Monsters with its reenactments (the suits really make Patty look good) and Peter Hurkos.

Roger knew he was dying and wanted to leave something for his wife. Why not try to make something that would sell? (The book didn't do too well.)

He said himself he was the worst person this could have happened to; I doubt Mother Teresa would have fared any better.

Gimlin's been answering questions for forty years. Who did the radio show again?
 
kitakaze said:
LAL, I'm curious about what your thoughts are on an un-suited Bob Heironimus shown riding in the PGF. What do you think?
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I seem to have missed something. The PGF is the footage taken at Bluff Creek of the unidentified bipedal hominid; there are no riders at all in it.

Bob Heironimus was a neighbor. Why not use him in some movie footage? Cheaper than an actor, anyway................

Also, what do you think of Patterson's propensity for creating illusion and fantasy as evidenced by having Gimlin play the Indian Tracker role?
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See my post above. His book was mostly rehashed reports from John Green, but he did do some interviews and cast some prints himself. He may have been a bit of a showman, but he was serious about his research.

Gimlin was with him on St. Helens when Patricia got the call from Al Hodgson about new tracks in the area. (Al was a sceptic until he found some himself.)
 
LAL said:
Source that, please.
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C'mon, LAL. Don't play dumb. You've got some Sweaty on you. You know about these inconsistencies very well from the 3000 times we've dragged them out before, sources and all. This is oooold news. Why are you doing that?
 
8558, 8559, 8560 are just three examples. I don't know where LTC got them, but I'm sure he will fill you in.
 
LAL said:
I seem to have missed something. The PGF is the footage taken at Bluff Creek of the unidentified bipedal hominid; there are no riders at all in it.
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First reel. Why are you goofing around?
Bob Heironimus was a neighbor. Why not use him in some movie footage? Cheaper than an actor, anyway................
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Like a next door neighbour 'can I borrow your hedge clippers?' kinda thing? Why do you need an actor for a documentary? I can't help but call that anything but apologism.
He may have been a bit of a showman, but he was serious about his research.
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A bit of a showman? Ah c'mon, LAL. He had Gimlin pretend to be some Dances With Wolves clown. Tuckered out? You just filmed bigfoot! That was your whole purpose for being there. Ooooh, I get it, Bob. You didn't want to show up at Roger's place with all the guys with the wig and routine. Yeah, I think Roger was serious. Serious enough to do some hoaxing for the sake of generating interest.
 
8558, 8559, 8560 are just three examples. I don't know where LTC got them, but I'm sure he will fill you in.
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Lu knows everything a person can possibly know about the different versions of the making of the PGF.

Lu, why are you pretending you don't know anything about the story of the PGF?
This is an odd habit of yours that I really wish you'd drop. You keep asking for info that you already have, on topics that you've already discussed here many times over.

Why?
 
The PGF is the footage taken at Bluff Creek of the unidentified bipedal hominid; there are no riders at all in it.
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If you limit it to what we have been told, you may be right. However, you know very well that to say there are no riders in the PGF is disingenuous at best.
 
LAL said:
Bob Heironimus was a neighbor. Why not use him in some movie footage?
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Take that a couple steps further. Why not dress him up as a sasquatch, shoot some footage, then try to profit on that footage? I didn't know Patterson personally, but from what I've read about him he seems to be all about taking advantage of people's generosity, and making money in whatever way he can.

RayG
 
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