Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

The first thing Roger did when they got back to town was try to get Don Abbott and tracking dogs.

And as I said, they had nothing to lose if the person in the suit was out of the state by then. In fact, calling for tracking dogs could only give them credibility in that situation.

That's Bob Heironimus for you.

Agreed. If you go back a few pages, you can see some of my posts where I say that I don't believe him. I don't believe Philip Morris, either. Why? Because I own a book (predating his "confession") where he admits to lying to the press about making elephant costumes in order to get free publicity from a visit by an elephant-training friend of his.

It's called artistic license.

In real life, it's called lying. Why not just say that his friend Bob Gimlin was helping him film the movie and leave it at that?

Did I say they were tracks they found? The ones they saw were too old to be of use. The ones I was referring to were the Onion Mountain/Blue Creek Mountain tracks.

The trackways that brought P&G to California indicated three individuals in the area, two smaller than Patty. (Roger thought hers were the middle-sized ones and was afraid there was a larger mate in the area.)

Your (seemingly) using them to discuss Patty/the area the film was shot at made me think that you were talking about the tracks Al Hodgson called about. This interview with Bob Gimlin makes me think that we are indeed talking about the same tracks. As does this page.

 

[William Parcher]

The unidentified rider is wearing a puffy insulated (olive?) jacket. It matches Merritt. The horse and its bridle is a match for Merritt.

Heironimus is an unquestionable match. His horse has the prominant blaze and socks. It's Chico. Of course his hat color is a match too.

 

[LAL]

Lu, do you know definitively that it's Roger's son, or not?

One guess is as good another, but if the facts are out there, then let's have them.

I know that's what Murphy said. It should be on the Hancock House forum. If you guys will slow down a minute I'll try to find it.

There's a Jerry Merritt chapter in Long's book. I need time to read that.

I also need time to check the DVD for film credits. I could have taken captures from Mysterious Monsters just as easily if the DVD wasn't causing my software to close. It plays fine on a player hooked to a Hi-Def screen.

The only difference is color. MM is greener.

 

[William Parcher]

Murphy needs to verify his info on Roger's son. He can do that after he verifies how he knows that the cast display footage came right after they were cast at Bluff Creek.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.rockabillyeurope.com/references/messages/jerry_merritt.htm

 

[LTC8K6]

In balance though, one of Roger Patterson’s better friends at the time was Jerry Merritt. “I was supposed to go with Roger and Bob but had to cancel at the last minute.” Seems his wife, a non-believer, wouldn’t let him go on the now famous, trip.

http://southeastsasquatchassociation.blogspot.com/2007/06/track-record-83-jan-1999.html

 

[William Parcher]

The story behind the Six Cowboys image is that it belonged to Jerry Merritt and was then given by him to Larry Lund (a relative of Merritt). Lund provided the image to Greg Long and that's why we see it now.

 

[LAL]

The unidentified rider is wearing a puffy insulated (olive?) jacket. It matches Merritt. The horse and its bridle is a match for Merritt.

Heironimus is an unquestionable match. His horse has the prominant blaze and socks. It's Chico. Of course his hat color is a match too.

So's the vest and shirt, but the face and hair don't seem to be.

So first it was Roger and now it's Jerry? But you sounded so sure before.

Roger's favorite plaid shirt is a puffy olive jacket. Okay.

Did all these guys go to California, then? Where and when was the picture taken?

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.bigfootdiscoveryproject.com/newsletters/Vol1No4.pdf

The Buddy Knox story is pretty good.

 

[William Parcher]

Back in December 2005, Dfoot asked the BFF: What If Jerry Merritt Had Gone?

 

[William Parcher]

Lu, I changed my mind after looking closer at the rider.

My opinion is that the clip shows Bob Heironimus pulling a packhorse in front of Jerry Merritt.

 

[LTC8K6]

I think it's pretty clear that Patterson took these guys out sasquatch hunting on occasion. There's no doubt that Merritt went as well, just not the time that Patty showed up.

 

[LAL]

Murphy needs to verify his info on Roger's son. He can do that after he verifies how he knows that the cast display footage came right after they were cast at Bluff Creek.

I did find that. Roger was unshaven and may have slept in his clothes and the casts were still wet.

http://forum.hancockhouse.com/article.php?story=20061126231539445&query=Patterson

Diogenes may have the link on the photos. He posted them originally.

I'm still combing the newsletters.

 

[LAL]

The entire painted label peeled off my Mysterious Monsters DVD; that's what was gumming it up. These are captures from it (it's worse) and a comparison with the same clip from Bigfoot; Man or Beast?

Whatever horse this is, it's not Chico.

 

[LAL]

The unidentified rider is wearing a puffy insulated (olive?) jacket. It matches Merritt. The horse and its bridle is a match for Merritt.

See Merritt below. The horse isn't even close and there's no headband on the bridle. It's not the horse Roger's riding in the group photo, either.

Heironimus is an unquestionable match. His horse has the prominant blaze and socks. It's Chico. Of course his hat color is a match too.

Below are Bob Heironimus and pictures of the rider leading the dark pack horse, the rider with binoculars at what looks like Bluff Creek. There's not enough of the lead horse showing to tell what kind of markings it has.

Unquestionable?

 

[LTC8K6]

I no longer have an doubts. It's BH and JM. Not sure why, but Lu seems to have the wrong horse in that JM crop above. She has JM, the third man, with the second man's horse. From the left.

 

[LAL]

I no longer have an doubts. It's BH and JM. Not sure why, but Lu seems to have the wrong horse in that JM crop above. She has JM, the third man, with the second man's horse. From the left.

Because I cut it late last night when I'd been up since 3:30 yesterday morning looking at the DVDs and reading threads. I think I was a little cross-eyed - I should have cut it more to the right. The third horse has a headband and what looks like a blaze. My bad.

Did Jerry Merritt have long hair? Looks like the rider up the hill does. I don't know if I can sharpen these any; they're frustratingly blurry.

I read most of the chapter on Merritt last night. JM was ticked off because he, too, got cut out of the profits, but he still maintained Roger was convinced he had the real deal.

Larry Lund gave Greg Long the photo of the six horsemen. Merritt identified them. He said, "We were at a campfire when that was shot . We was gettin' ready to go back out on horses up on the mountains."

Long says:

Merritt joined Patterson and the other "actors" and rode about about six miles off of the South Fork, up onto the Yakama Indian Reservation."We were way up out of the sage brush into the timber."

Merritt remembered one scene in the documentary of him riding precariously down a steep embankment on Ahtanum Ridge. "That horse I was riding one that Bob Gimlin was breaking. It hadn't been rode very much."(The Making of Bigfoot, pg. 115)

If that's the same footage, it was shot in eastern Washington (as I said), was part of the documentary (or movie, if you will) Roger was making using his friends andChris has been e-mailed neighbors, and had nothing to do with Bluff Creek.

I couldn't find the composite in the Murphy File, but I'll e-mail Chris as soon as I get my attachments together and make some coffee. I think he'll be interested.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, we already knew it was not shot in Bluff Creek. Gimlin mentions Cowiche Canyon, and Buddy Knox mentions Merritt going with them on a trip in the Cascades.

It could be any of many trips. It's impossible to say without seeing more of the footage. Or the actual footage.

One question is who is labeling these things as being "second reel" and why?

One interesting thing is that the trip Knox mentions is apparently after the PGF was filmed. If it was shortly after, it could allow for the clip to indeed be on the second reel, but I think that's a stretch and the info is too fuzzy.

It would be odd for Roger to go sasquatch hunting again soon after PGF, but not go to the Bluff Creek area.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

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It would be odd for Roger to go sasquatch hunting again soon after PGF, but not go to the Bluff Creek area.

I'm not aware that Patterson ( or Gimlin ) ever went Sasquatch hunting again..


The failure of this, to discount the film in anyone's mind, speaks of credulousness to the max...

 

[William Parcher]

I did find that. Roger was unshaven and may have slept in his clothes and the casts were still wet.

http://forum.hancockhouse.com/article.php?story=20061126231539445&query=Patterson

Diogenes may have the link on the photos. He posted them originally.

I'm still combing the newsletters.

Are you suggesting that the cast display footage was shot on the morning after, while still at Bluff Creek? What does sleeping in the same clothes matter?