Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Drewbot said:
The Gorilla Costume was made of Dynel according to Phillip Morris
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_4_28/ai_n6145280/pg_4
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And this is a Morris standard suit:

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LTC8K6 said:
Why not make a practice movie of bigfoot at Bluff Creek for your documentary?

After all, it's almost impossible to get a movie of a real bigfoot.
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Why not make it in Washington and save the expense of a trip to California?
 
I just don't fathom the idea that Patty (an elusive and wary NA bigfoot), upon being approached by two riders on Horseback, casually walked along the creek, leaving perfect footprints in the only footprint medium for miles around. And furthermore, upon reaching the pines, took off at a great rate of speed, (Insert stride measurement differences and Patterson's description of her running here), which indicates that she must have been threatened.
If this is the case(that she was threatened), the logical thing for the beast to do would have been to take the shortest route to the woods, perpendicular to the creek, and make her escape that way. Instead of a leisurely stroll along the creek with a deliberate glance back at her antagonists.

Reasons this leads me to a hoax conclusion

1. Footprints in muddy medium, How would they explain casts taken from the riverbed, if the video didn't show her in the riverbed.
2. It would have made a much shorter film, if the beast had done what came naturally, and taken a few leaps directly into the woodline.
 
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RayG said:
It couldn't be modified, especially by a creative and artistic person like Patterson?

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Actually, my first thoughts on seeing the pic were that it's pretty close.

Do a bit of reshaping on the face to make it more human-like in shape/outline. Use a pair of hair clippers (the kind that have the plastic guard to cut to a set length) to trim the long hair of the suit. Use some of those hair clippings to glue on the face to cover up the cut marks from your reshaping, and to add a bit of fur and color to the cheeks. I'd say it'd be a fairly close match, least on a grainy, blurry, low-res image like what we have from the PGF.

ETA: Of course, I'm not sure of the state of hair clipper technology at the time, but the principal remains.
 
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Now, slow learners, scoffics and heretics, repeat with me the Footer PGF Credo:

In 40 years no one managed to prove PGF is a hoax
The IM rules out a man in a suit
The footprints' depth indicate the PGF subject was much heavier than the men
The gait is totally inhuman
The muscles can be seen bulging under the hairs
The tracks were seen by unrelated people

Repeat it 100 times like a mantra.
If after this exercise the credo has not turned in to reality for you, repeat for more 1000 times.

If after that you still do not believe it deep within your heart, repeat for more 10000 times.

If after this exercise the credo has not turned in to an unquestionable dogma, repeat for more 10000 times. Record it as loop and play it while you are asleep, driving your car, working, etc. for seven weeks.

If after this exercise the credo has not turned in to reality for you, its time to start with the flagellation.
 
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LAL said:
Roger knew he was dying and wanted to leave something for his wife. Why not try to make something that would sell? (The book didn't do too well.)
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Yeah, fake a Bigfoot and try to sell it as being real. That's what Patterson did, and forty years later you are still taking the bait.

Roger Patterson was a deal breaker. He borrowed money under contracts that went unreturned until law enforcement took action. He made promises to pay people for their services that went unpaid. He tried to screw Radford out of her loan to him. He didn't return the camera he had rented. He screwed his own Indian Tracker Bob Gimlin out of profit sharing. If BH is telling the truth, Roger screwed him out of $1000 for wearing the Patty costume.

Yes Lu, if Roger Patterson joined MABRC and these things were learned about him... Darkwing would probably move to banish him from the forum. It's because Patterson was a cheating backstabber. But he had a film of Bigfoot. That alone would grant him special privledges that are kept seperate from his personal financial dealings. Yeah, and CreekFreak has a photo of Bigfoot. Forget his bullcrap campfire stories of holes poked in bean cans found in his cupboards. The man has a photo of Bigfoot. Creek is just like Patterson. They are hapless yet conniving buffoons that also happened to capture Bigfoot on film and pixels. Both of them are hoaxers seeking to cash in. If you toss Creek, you gotta toss Roger too.
 
kitakaze said:
C'mon, LAL. Don't play dumb. You've got some Sweaty on you. You know about these inconsistencies very well from the 3000 times we've dragged them out before, sources and all. This is oooold news. Why are you doing that?
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Because I thought there was something new. I haven't been following this thread.

He said three inconsitancies in Roger's story. I don't see them. In front and/or to the left, rearing horses............a narrator said Roger jumped from the back of a rearing horse. Does that make four?

Looks like it'll be 3001.

Both were focused on the figure, not on each other. There was a reporter error in the first news story. Conflicting testimony from eyewitnesses when something unexpected happens is normal. Ask a cop.

If they rehearsed all this, why didn't they get the story straight?
 
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Sometimes Roger falls off the side with the camera. Sometimes he has to run around to the side with the camera.
 
William Parcher said:
If you toss Creek, you gotta toss Roger too.
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Non sequitur. Creek's photo is an obvious fake; no one will be arguing about it forty years from now.

Failure to pay back money and overselling the rights is not evidence of a hoax. Cutting Gimlin out wasn't a good move either, but Bob stands by his story.

You buy Bob Heironimus' story. How good of a hoax detector does that make you?
 
RayG said:
It couldn't be modified, especially by a creative and artistic person like Patterson?

RayG
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Why, of course! Get rid of the neck to crotch zipper, make the torso like a T-shirt and turn the Dynel into dead red horsehide. Why didn't I think of that?
 
RayG said:
Your emotional investment won't let you.

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I just couldn't get around the logic. Heironimus described a completely different suit, Morris comes along with his claim and Heironimus abandons his claim that the "guy from Planet of the Apes" made it. Somewhere in there Bob went along with his brother's claim about the horsehide, and after that I lost track.

If you knew how unemotional I am, you'd think I'm dead.
 
He said three inconsitancies in Roger's story. I don't see them. In front and/or to the left, rearing horses............a narrator said Roger jumped from the back of a rearing horse. Does that make four?
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Nope, he said three different stories. He would have said more, but I stopped at three, figuring most folks had heard them all already. You asked him to source that when you already knew how many different versions had been told.
 
Why is this labeled The Second Reel?
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We don't know. There is also that collage labeled 2ndreelstills.

That's why the big discussion about that clip. If it's the second reel, it has BH on it. BH on the same reel as Patty, in other words. We have made a guess that the section with BH was filmed at Cowiche Canyon because Gimlin said they were there earlier, and the terrain appears similar. It's also evident that a third person is present and filming BH and RP in the "Cowiche Canyon" section of the film.

I have personally wondered why BG hardly mentions the times he used the movie camera.
 
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