Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Melissa said:
I signed on this morning, wondering if this would be asked. Kitakazee, could you either listen to the program yourself by fixing your system - or give those of us who knew Dan a few days before you started in on what we did or did not ask of him?

As for all the rest of your "I strongly disagree" - who cares, William Parcher didnt say those things about you - so, how you feel really doesnt matter to me and again, I could care less. When I start putting words in your mouth - then I will accept your righteous indignation. At this moment in my life, I really dont care and frankly you dont even rate on the list of people I am even thinking of right now.

Either stand up for what is right - or just stay seated. Either way, I really dont care.
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I'm sorry but that looks like a total side-step to me and more drama from you. You need to learn to stop reading emotion and conflict that aren't there. I agreed with you that WP's post was overboard, no comment. You made incorrect sweeping generalizations and I pointed them out, no comment. I invited you to discuss this actual research you mention, no comment. I asked you about what skeptical questions you asked squatchcommando, your back's up and I don't even understand what your trying to say with the second option there. Stand up for what's right? Sheesh, get over yourself already. Spare the sermon and maybe try engaging the issues.
 
kitakaze said:
I'm sorry but that looks like a total side-step to me and more drama from you. You need to learn to stop reading emotion and conflict that aren't there. I agreed with you that WP's post was overboard, no comment. You made incorrect sweeping generalizations and I pointed them out, no comment. I invited you to discuss this actual research you mention, no comment. I asked you about what skeptical questions you asked squatchcommando, your back's up and I don't even understand what your trying to say with the second option there. Stand up for what's right? Sheesh, get over yourself already. Spare the sermon and maybe try engaging the issues.
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Precisely.

All this..."Waaaaaahh....Teacher....William is being mean to me again" crap is pointless and not germaine to the discussion. Melissa if you can't take a little sarcsasm and the occasional mean word......than you madame....are in the wrong sandbox ok.

Now like Kit said..

Spare the sermon and engage some issues already would ya??
 
LMAO. Kitakazee your lecturing me about being a drama queen - thats priceless, and about the best laugh I have had all day.

Mad Hom, just as soon as you do. I havent seen a decent statement flow from your fingers in quite a few pages that isnt dripping with distaine.

If you dont want to defend your nasty comments - then I would suggest you not make them. I suggest you grow up and take your own advice.
 
Could the real bigfoot raise its hands please?

Now, this is Patty, claimed by some to be a real bigfoot:
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OK, but descriptions from eyewitnesses reports quite often indicate more muscular creatures, such as this one...
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Or even somemething quite close to Marvel's Sasquatch character...
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Both are very different from Patty, that looks more like William Roes's sketch of his alleged 1955 encounter...
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All the above are, by their turn, quite different from Gigantopithecus, a proposed candidate for bigfeet...
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Even if standing upright (a position they probably adopted just sometimes) would not look very like Patty or the other bigfoot "variety"...
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And I will not even bother adding to this post Ostman's descriptions or those bigfeet that look like werewolves...
 
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Good questions Correa Neto - I have often wondered about the differences in the physical description as well. Could it be a regional difference? Could it be genetic? I have no clue. Maybe its even a witness over stating specific portions of the physical description. I would imagine though if this animal is out there - females would most likely be smaller than males and have a slighly different build.

But, I am not even close to being an expert on these things. You bring up good questions though. :)
 
Melissa said:
LMAO. Kitakazee your lecturing me about being a drama queen - thats priceless, and about the best laugh I have had all day.
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hahahaha... You're laughing with me, right? Let's see... 1, 2, 3, 4. That's four no comments? HEY, what that over there!?

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You're getting a little Sweaty on you.
 
Melissa said:
Good questions Correa Neto - I have often wondered about the differences in the physical description as well. Could it be a regional difference? Could it be genetic? I have no clue. Maybe its even a witness over stating specific portions of the physical description. I would imagine though if this animal is out there - females would most likely be smaller than males and have a slighly different build.

But, I am not even close to being an expert on these things. You bring up good questions though. :)
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Glowing eyes, 14 ft or 7, white ones, talking ones, it's very interesting.

So why the staggering lack of female bigfoot reports?
 
Well, I am not talking about the supposed lack of female bigfeet in sighting reports. I am merely asking why the descriptions do not match!

I have my own (skeptical) suppositions...

I am interested in pro-bigfoot suppositions. Melissa already presented her views, combining sexual dimorphism, subspecies and (if I got it rigt) eyewitnesses' bias. I am interested in knowing if "pro" folks would consider this inconsistency as an indication that Patty is not a bigfoot.

I have a number of reasonings that I think present problems to the regional morphological variations supposition, involving the 50/500 rule among other things.
 
If I were a bigfoot proponent I would have a supposition about the supposed lack of females in bigfoot reports.

Humans are the only apes whose females have permanently swollen breasts (ain't evolution wonderfull?); if bigfeet are not from the Homo genus, only lactant or in the estrus bigfoot females would have swollen breasts.

This supposition could, however, potentially render PGF as a hoax and the (few) reports of female bigfoot with human-looking breasts as unreliable. But even during (most of) my "cryptist" days I never gave PGF much credit, so for me it was not much of an issue.
 
So there I was roughly 15 miles north of Lake Placid NY 1981 doing my environmental research when a Black Bear decided to have a peek around my camp early one morning. I reached for mt 22 cal. semi automatic rifle loaded with long rifle cartridges and poked my head out from my tent. I drew a bead on the beast and crossed my fingers that it wasn't going to decide that my tent was worth looking into. I had 9 rounds in the clip and I had a hard time reassuring myself that this weapon would deter that bear if it came to that. If I came upon something as big and massive as a Girzzly or the hypothetical Sasquatch if it was less than a 30.06 I wouldn't pull the trigger unless my life depended on it.
 
Proponent lurkers take note- Meldrum says there are barely any female reports because only lone males will take the risk of encountering humans. Isn't it great how that works out? Nice and tidy.
 
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Crowlogic said:
So there I was roughly 15 miles north of Lake Placid NY 1981 doing my environmental research when a Black Bear decided to have a peek around my camp early one morning. I reached for mt 22 cal. semi automatic rifle loaded with long rifle cartridges and poked my head out from my tent. I drew a bead on the beast and crossed my fingers that it wasn't going to decide that my tent was worth looking into. I had 9 rounds in the clip and I had a hard time reassuring myself that this weapon would deter that bear if it came to that. If I came upon something as big and massive as a Girzzly or the hypothetical Sasquatch if it was less than a 30.06 I wouldn't pull the trigger unless my life depended on it.
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Is this supposed to be some kind of excuse for no bigfoot kills? Sounds like you weren't prepared, weren't informed, and you didn't know how to properly handle the situation you were in. If you saw a black bear, why didn't you just start yelling at it and making a racket?

And BTW, environmental research? Exactly what kind of environmental research were you doing?
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Crowlogic, considering the above comment on Starthinker's avatar maybe you can provide us with an explanation of how belief in bigfoot is based on better quality evidence than UFO's and alien visitation.
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Didn't like that one, huh?

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Well, when someone says "It makes no sense P&G making a female gorilla bigfoot costume", I just ask "Why?" and remind him/her of Roe's sighting.

I also remind the person that several renderings of female "apemen" were available back in the 60s. Not to mention that a dangling male genitalia probably would not be something you would like to show in your movie back then...
 
Hey, K, I'm not sure I would volunteer to
http://www.bear.org/Black/Articles/How_Dangerous_are_Black_Bears.html said:
walk and sleep with them day or night without a worry, even with mothers and cubs
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I would most likely do the tortoise move...
 
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