Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[LTC8K6]

One in the chamber would give you 10. You might have made him mad, I suppose. It's hard to be a good shot in that situation, too.

Best bet was probably to fire a round in the air to try to scare it first.

 

[kitakaze]

Hey, K, I'm not sure I would volunteer to
I would most likely do the tortoise move...

Geez, I guess I should read my links more carefully. Nevertheless:

What to do if you run across a Bear
Even if you have no food out whatsoever, you may still encounter a black bear wandering during its daily travels. Upon spotting a human, the naturally curious black bear will either a) run away, or b) stop and observe the human.

If you want to completely avoid black bears, talk continuously or make loud, unnatural noise (i.e. Bear Bells). This will scare off most black bears.

If a black bear DOES come uncomfortably close, or if it starts approaching you, back away SLOWLY, always watching the bear. Speak in a LOUD, DEEP voice (It doesn't matter what you say. I use "GO AWAY BEAR" as it also serves to inform others around me of my situation).

What to do if you have a Black Bear in Camp
If you can stand being scared a bit, and you have taken good precautions to hang anything that smells out of their reach (and keep a clean tent and site) just let them be. They'll probably wander off in a bit. If not, you can try to scare them off by making a loud, deep noise, or bang a shoe against a pot. That'll probably scare them off. If the bear tries to rip through your tent (it does have sharp claws), back towards the door and leave (or go through a wall if you must), talking to it LOUD and DEEP (try "THERE IS A BEAR IN MY TENT. I AM NOW LEAVING" or whatever else comes to mind). You should be trying to inform any public around of your situation. DO NOT turn your back to the bear. Try to make yourself as TALL as possible. If it attacks (***VERY UNLIKELY***) be the aggressor. Fight back vigorously.

But remember: you are in black bear country. The black bear is completely entitled to wander wherever it wants to, and if that includes your site then so be it. The black bear did NOT come to your site to try to attack you, it is just naturally curious. It smelt something different, maybe your food, and just wanted to find out what it was. The black bear does NOT want to fight.

Don't Run
DO NOT RUN AWAY FROM A BLACK BEAR. THEY CAN RUN FASTER THAN YOU.

Do Not Play Dead With a Black Bear
(Editor's note: Black bears eat carrion (dead things)). It is curious, and will rip you open just to see "what's inside"!

 

[LTC8K6]

Go Away Bigfoot!

There Is A Sasquatch In My Tent!
I Am Now Leaving!

Don't Anyone Bring A Camera Or Follow It!

 

[kitakaze]

Go Away Bigfoot!

There Is A Sasquatch In My Tent!
I Am Now Leaving!

Don't Anyone Bring A Camera Or Follow It!

Oh Sweet Zombie Jesus... That is like 'all your base' quality material.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

So there I was roughly 15 miles north of Lake Placid NY 1981 doing my environmental research when a Black Bear decided to have a peek around my camp early one morning. I reached for mt 22 cal. semi automatic rifle loaded with long rifle cartridges and poked my head out from my tent. I drew a bead on the beast and crossed my fingers that it wasn't going to decide that my tent was worth looking into. I had 9 rounds in the clip and I had a hard time reassuring myself that this weapon would deter that bear if it came to that. If I came upon something as big and massive as a Girzzly or the hypothetical Sasquatch if it was less than a 30.06 I wouldn't pull the trigger unless my life depended on it.

What do do think about the incessant clamor about someone in a hairy suit being in danger of being shot ?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

With regard to " Why the breasts on Patty ? "..



So people would say " Why would a hoaxer do that ? "

 

[Melissa]

If I were a bigfoot proponent I would have a supposition about the supposed lack of females in bigfoot reports.

Humans are the only apes whose females have permanently swollen breasts (ain't evolution wonderfull?); if bigfeet are not from the Homo genus, only lactant or in the estrus bigfoot females would have swollen breasts.

This supposition could, however, potentially render PGF as a hoax and the (few) reports of female bigfoot with human-looking breasts as unreliable. But even during (most of) my "cryptist" days I never gave PGF much credit, so for me it was not much of an issue.

Honest answer is simply I really dont know. But, I would have to say the majority of reports I have read, the witness states they really dont know what sex the animal is. Some say they do know, some say they "think" it was a male based on body mass and size.

I suppose if it were me, and it was dark outside - and I was confronted with an animal like this, I would be reluctant to "lift the skirt" of this animal to check the sex. LMAO. I would however buy the person who did a beer

 

[Melissa]

Proponent lurkers take note- Meldrum says there are barely any female reports because only lone males will take the risk of encountering humans. Isn't it great how that works out? Nice and tidy.

Source please, and the exact quote. I have heard Dr. Meldrum say something similar - but not the way your saying it.

If your going to quote someone (or put words in their mouth), you should have a reference.

 

[kitakaze]

Source please, and the exact quote. I have heard Dr. Meldrum say something similar - but not the way your saying it.

If your going to quote someone (or put words in their mouth), you should have a reference.

Well, I guess if the point of the discussion here was the desire to call people names and insult them then I might feign getting my pants in a knot and and have some kind of fit about you not being co-operative with my question about squatchcommando's interview. I'd also make some noise questioning if you've actually read Meldrum's book whom you interviewed and proceeding to mock you for it.

Since it is not the type of place you imply you will still get the co-operation that you yourself don't seem willing to engage in.

Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science, p. 213 (top paragraph):

"... , but there are also very few reports of females, infants, or juveniles, which must exist. This brings into question one of the most obvious assumptions, that sasquatch are solitary animals. Less than 10 percent of reports involve more than one creature, but if females and their young are very rarely seen it remains possible that family groups exist, while normally only lone males take a chance of encountering humans."

This is actually Meldrum quoting Green but in the context and point Meldrum is representing it as the position he supports.

 

[tube]

I also thought of "Heironimo" (think Geronimo), but it's just too stupid. Okay now "Heironopotamus". It sucks too...

Though we must transpose the "i" and "e", I should like to propose the term "Hierophant".

Because if you can't find Bigfoot at least you can engage in obtuse circumlocution interspersed with the occasional otiose neologism.

Next I'm going to play "qat"...

 

[Melissa]

Well, I guess if the point of the discussion here was the desire to call people names and insult them then I might feign getting my pants in a knot and and have some kind of fit about you not being co-operative with my question about squatchcommando's interview. I'd also make some noise questioning if you've actually read Meldrum's book whom you interviewed and proceeding to mock you for it.

Since it is not the type of place you imply you will still get the co-operation that you yourself don't seem willing to engage in.

Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science, p. 213 (top paragraph):

This is actually Meldrum quoting Green but in the context and point Meldrum is representing it as the position he supports.

Thats right, so they are not Dr. Meldrums words, he is quoting someone else. Thank you for correcting yourself.

Up until now, you haven't offered anything worth "engaging". I am done responding to your "look at me, look at me" posts.

 

[Mad Hom]

Well, when someone says "It makes no sense P&G making a female gorilla bigfoot costume", I just ask "Why?" and remind him/her of Roe's sighting.

I also remind the person that several renderings of female "apemen" were available back in the 60s. Not to mention that a dangling male genitalia probably would not be something you would like to show in your movie back then...

Not to mention ....dangling Male genitalia?

Yeah.....probably much more difficult to fake.

 

[Mad Hom]

Thats right, so they are not Dr. Meldrums words, he is quoting someone else. Thank you for correcting yourself.

Up until now, you haven't offered anything worth "engaging". I am done responding to your "look at me, look at me" posts.

IMO...you're done responding to Kit's posts mostly because he's been tearing you a new one for at least the last several pages....meanwhile you keep saying things like...."I heard Meldrum say it differently"..."those are his words not mine"..."Waaaaaahh...William pulled my hair"

In sum...you have nothing.

 

[kitakaze]

Thats right, so they are not Dr. Meldrums words, he is quoting someone else. Thank you for correcting yourself.

This shouldn't be difficult but apparently it is. So why is he quoting someone else? Melissa, look at the book, check the context that Meldrum presents the quote. He's quoting Green as his position is the one Meldrum is putting forward as the one he finds credible and wants us to consider.

Is he quoting Green because he doesn't want to directly comment on the matter? Maybe but it's not important because he finds Green's handling of the problem to be compelling enough to put forward. If you have read Meldrum's book you can see that when he quote's someone he doesn't agree with, he makes the effort to detail why.

Tell you what, though. He wasn't quoting anyone when he said that the MDF depicts a dark figure with "apparent breasts".

Up until now, you haven't offered anything worth "engaging". I am done responding to your "look at me, look at me" posts.

'Look at me, look at me'?

Lady, put down the Danielle Steel novel and slowly back away from it. Let's look at what you're saying isn't worth engaging.

1. I agreed with you on the matter concerning WP's post. No comment except an earlier one that seemed to imply the opposite. Not worth engaging? It's not much of a big deal so sure, forget about it.

2. You made incorrect sweeping generalizations about the people posting here and the nature and intent of the discussions here. I pointed that out and asked you not to do it including two examples of people who are regular posters whom you wouldn't include in those generalizations. Not worth engaging? What's the problem? Can't be bothered to be responsible for things you type without giving it proper consideration?

3. You commented on actual research and were invited to discuss your own actual research, not for the first time. Again, no comment. Seems like you don't want to discuss your search for bigfoot here. Why not? Not worth engaging?

4. I asked you a simple, straightforward question concerning any skeptical questions you asked in your 'Let's Talk Bigfoot' interview with Squatchcommando.

...Scratch that, Melissa. I just went to your board and realized what you were talking about when I asked before. I was not aware of the fact that he had passed away which I hope was apparent. My apologies and condolences.

 

[Correa Neto]

Not to mention ....dangling Male genitalia?

Yeah.....probably much more difficult to fake.

Uhm...
I though about this also... Never wrote a letter about it because I would need to check if the idea is plausible. This would require at least some googling for... For... Hrm... *cough* D!ldos *cough* available back in the 60s... I would also have to write a post (pics included) about my findings. So, I decided just to let this whole issue aside.

Unless we decide to make a "Brokefoot Mountain" thread. Two (or three) cowboys alone in the woods...

 

[Correa Neto]

Honest answer is simply I really dont know. But, I would have to say the majority of reports I have read, the witness states they really dont know what sex the animal is. Some say they do know, some say they "think" it was a male based on body mass and size.

Well, assuming bigfeet are real and not part of the Homo genus, the standard "encounter" witness probably would not be able to separate male from female. How many persons would be able to tell a male from a female gorilla or chimp after an "encounter" that lasted a few seconds? Also if the animal was partially covered by bushes...

But I digress, since my opinion is that breasted bigfoot females (as well as males with dangling weenies) are at least a bit implausible if one does not supposes these creatures (if they exist) are not from the Homo genus. Note that saying "its an unknown creature" is an argument from ignorance and will not be of much help. This is an example of the types of problems I've seen in the evidences, reasonings and methods presented and used by proponents.

I suppose if it were me, and it was dark outside - and I was confronted with an animal like this, I would be reluctant to "lift the skirt" of this animal to check the sex. LMAO. I would however buy the person who did a beer

Beer? A single beer as a reward for lifiting a bigfoot's skirt?

 

[Correa Neto]

An example of the issues regarding bigfeet's looks...

Check the renderings at http://www.kentuckybigfoot.com/pictures.htm Make sure to scroll down the page.
Could the real bigfeet please raise its hands?

See the problem?
Why should one consider the "Patty-like" renderings closer to the "real animal" than the others?
What are the criteria used to draw the line?

From my point of view, the alleged consistency in the descriptions obtained from eyewitnesses reports and PGF is not real; its created by a biased selection of reports. Unless "hairy and bipedal" is considered as a good enough match... But please, anyone feel free to demonstrate I'm wrong.

Or there are lots of species of humanoid cryptids roaming around in North America?

 

[Correa Neto]

Proponent lurkers take note- Meldrum says there are barely any female reports because only lone males will take the risk of encountering humans. Isn't it great how that works out? Nice and tidy.

I read something like this too, usually coped with the sparse and nomadic population arguments (please don't ask for a source; I'm typing from memory and feeling too lazy for link-digging).

But again, here we have another problem. Its the (much contested) 50/500 rule. 50 specimens would be needed for a short-term viable population and 500 (or 5000, depending on the source) for a long-term viable population. Note that this is for a population, its about a group living at a certain place.

How would you obtain this if bigfeet are scattered across North America? One can check Mangani´s sighting maps (http://penn.freeservers.com/bigfootmaps/ nope, still feeling lazy, this link was saved) to see the distribution. We've left with two options:

-Highly nomadic groups or individuals, travelling hundreds or perhaps even thousands of kilometers. On doing this, the individuals will not be restricted to distant highly forested unpopulated sites. And the odds of finding a mate would be?
-Several pockets of populations scattered around North America. Even if a given sighting cluster is created by a small (25-50 specimens) bigfoot populations, the total of specimens most likely will not be small and by no means restricted to "unreachable rough distant wilderness".

Whatever option you choose, well, its happening right under your noses and not a single piece of reliable evidence was obtained so far. I don't think I can digest this...

Yeah, you guessed it right, its being a slow day at work here...

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/buchanan-obit/

My condolences to his family and friends.

 

[kitakaze]

I guess if proponents were trying to get us to buy into the idea of an extremely rare creature living in a couple of highly remote locations of the PNW then they'd be having less of a PR problem but that's not what's being presented. With the rise of the internet and the wide range of people who want to join the bigfootery role-playing game with sufficient tree cover in there locales we have the current joke they don't get being perpetuated.

Before living in Japan I lived in Victoria, BC on Vancouver Island which as I've discussed elsewhere is one of the classic sasquatch stomping grounds. To my surprise, according to this 2006-2007 BFRO class A report, I don't even need to look further than my own hometown to find sasquatch! They're living right there at the outskirts of the city! Thanks guys! Wow, don't I feel stupid.

That's the great thing about bigfoot, you see. We can't sit and nod our heads while listening to proponents carrying on about remote, vast, inaccessible this and that but not to worry, we're in luck. Bigfoot comes quite literally to our front door.

What's that, friend? Live in Des Moines, Iowa? Don't be so glum, we've got bigfoot for you! Here's a class A 2000 report featuring a sasquatch leaping into the air on a bike trail within the city limits of Des Moines. Sign up to the bigfoot website of your choice, grab your hat and bus ticket, snap some pictures of some mysterious sign, post 'em quick and SNAP! You're squatchin', buddy.

I don't have to worry about the lack of reports with females or infants. If I just find the right spot in my hometown I can get a friend to set up a webcam in the back yard and it'll just be a matter of time before one of them little rugrats comes ripping out of the forest with big mama chasing behind. Just you wait.

ETA: Well, there you have it. Correa has beaten me to it. He even posted a link to the Mangani map that I felt too lazy to do. I'll be retiring my oven mitts now.