Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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LTC8K6 said:
Meldrum accepts the track that Chilcutt ruled a fake, as if it were real. He even excuses signs of hoaxing as normal....

He also notes what sounds like the casting artifacts described by Tube. I wonder if Meldrum will ever mention the possibility?

You'd think Meldrum had no idea who Freeman is....

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_article.asp?id=303
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Meldrum interviewed Freeman extensively. There is nothing I know of that indicates the fingerprints were even left by Freeman. They could have been those of another ranger on the scene. The fact that the rest of the track appeared real may indicates someone "improved" the toes prior to casting. What about the rest of the trackway? What about the one discovered in a different area next day by people totally unconnected to Paul Freeman?

Meldrum discarded some of Krantz' casts as fakes. He's not stupid.

I've mentioned the attempt to fool him with a carved pumpkin and apelike dermals shown in Bigfoot in the Rockies. It took him about a minute to determine the cast was a fake and how it was done.

Perhaps you didn't follow the discussion, but the casting artifacts tube describes were on one particular cast from Onion Mountain, already thought by Green to have had casting artifacts:

"Up to now I have left the subject of dermal ridges to those with expertise in that field, and I would suggest doing the same in this case. I am sure that Jimmy Chilcutt can tell the difference between dermals with sweat pores scars etc. and casting artifacts. As to the cast which has been referred
to that I made on Onion Mountain, with lines looping around on the heel, I have never understood how those lines formed but they have always looked like casting artifacts to me.

John Green
Harrison Hot Springs"

(Reposted with permission.)

It takes a certain, drying substrate for these artifacts to occur. Mud is not one of them.
 
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Diogenes said:
You see the problem with this don't you ?

No ?
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It's a no win situation, isn't it? Some sceptics seem to have the idea Patterson was in Bluff Creek for a day, got the film the very next morning, therefore it's a fake.

When it's pointed out he was already filming for a documentary and had been in the area for three weeks attempting to film tracks they take this as some sort of evidence it's a fake.

If he hadn't been filming already, he probably wouldn't have had a camera and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
LTC8K6 said:
^Deliberate obtuseness^

Does anyone think Lu is actually unaware of Meldrum's purchase of Freeman's casts?
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I would hope not. I'm sure I mentioned somewhere in these threads he paid a reported $2000 for them.

What evidence do you have that the ones he purchased are fakes (other than the human prints in the toe area on one of them)?

Does "^Deliberate obtuseness^" mean you're being deliberately obtuse?
 
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LTC8K6 said:
"Polite" doesn't equal "correct" or "unable to be fooled".
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Nor did I claim it does, but I believe Correa predicted Meldrum would just dismiss anyone trying to challenge his work, or words to that effect. On this thread he (Meldrum) addressed the points and corrected the misconceptions in a patient, respectful manner.

It was good of him to take time out from his busy life to do this.

Did you understand what he was saying?
 
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LAL said:
It's a no win situation, isn't it? Some sceptics seem to have the idea Patterson was in Bluff Creek for a day, got the film the very next morning, therefore it's a fake.

When it's pointed out he was already filming for a documentary and had been in the area for three weeks attempting to film tracks they take this as some sort of evidence it's a fake.

If he hadn't been filming already, he probably wouldn't have had a camera and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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You missed it LU ...

LAL said:
The film was presented to scientists before it became the centerpiece of the documentary Patterson was making.
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What documentary are you talking about ?

Oh, the one that was never made ?

How can the PGF be the ' centerpiece ' of a documentary that was never made ...

The finale seems to be missing.. The part where they return to the scene and capture the Bigfoot they just got lucky on, and filmed...

38 Years later.... Chirrrrrrrrrrrrpp ...

( Why don't we have cricket smilies ? Linda ? )
 
A documentary of some sort was indeed made, Diogenes.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/ronolson.htm

Olson says he still wasn’t a Bigfoot believer at the time he contacted Roger Patterson, the Yakima fellow who claimed to have photographed the creature. It was the chance to produce and market a potentially lucrative Bigfoot film that initially motivated Ron Olson, he said. "A Lot of things went up and down for a while, problems with company board members saying "Gee, this thing is too far out and we don’t want to put the money up for that kind of film." But I tested Patterson’s footage on movie audiences and found the subject to be as strong as I predicted it would be," Olson said.

A relatively inexpensive twenty-minute Bigfoot documentary was eventually produced but Olson says it hasn’t been the lucrative and persuasive film he had hope for. And for the past five years since he obtained Patterson’s footage he’s been unable to get financial backing for turning out the kind of Bigfoot movie that he figures would make a box office smash. Something else has happened since then though – something influencing Olson a lot more than striking it rich would have. He started believing in the beast that he wanted to make a film about.

"I don’t think I was even near the point of believing in it until I saw Patterson’s footage." Olson continued, "Not until I had seen the film and had worked with him for a while did I start coming to the point of thinking in my own mind that there was really something out there."
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Here's an example of how easy it is to hoax a sasquatch film:

It took a Hollywood insider half an attempt to get busted:

...I was doing a real experiment - only not with a suit....

....I was pulling a hoax by using the deeply held feelings about this film to get a desired result.....
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Wrangler Roger Patterson is looking more and more like a real genius to have pulled off his hoax, with his costume building skills (some 38 years ago).
 
LAL said:
I would hope not. I'm sure I mentioned somewhere in these threads he paid a reported $2000 for them.

What evidence do you have that the ones he purchased are fakes (other than the human prints in the toe area on one of them)?
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Is this one of the casts he purchased ?

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It's the wallpaper on his web site ...


Oh, I forgot for a moment.. .. That is the cast, that was a model for one of Wallace's feet;
right down to the crack in the heel ..


What is the the theory behind how a Sas got a scar like that ? Stepped on a machete that someone carelessly left laying around ?
 
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Here's an example of how easy it is to hoax a sasquatch film:
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No one cares how easy or hard it may be, it is irrelevant.

Who is claiming that creating Patty was easy, anyway?

Assuming Patty is a hoax, no one has any idea how long it took, how many tries it took, how much money, etc.
 
LTC8K6 said:
No one cares how easy or hard it may be, it is irrelevant.....
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Clearly, you don't.

And it is relevant.

...Who is claiming that creating Patty was easy, anyway?...
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Dfoot.

...Assuming Patty is a hoax, no one has any idea how long it took, how many tries it took, how much money, etc...
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Correct.

And, assuming Patty is a hoax, nobody seems to offer an explanation that I can accept on how Patterson could have pulled it off.
 
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